Here are some additional drawings and information courtesy of Frank Lynn. Details and dimensions can very slightly from one builder to another.

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This is the parts list for Frank's build:

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Here's a drawing for fabricating your own quide tongue:

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As usual, everyone had a great time at The Gorge Raceway! Thanks Bob!

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In my opinion, The Gorge Raceway is the most challenging track we race on! To be quick on this track requires your full concentration and a fair amount of restraint!

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Rico started out super fast, but a few offs allowed a couple of us to catch him. The racing was SO close!

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Jerry had what I think was the best looking car. Here it is the "Weddle Womp"!

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PASER Monday was Womp night. 7 Racers came to have some fun and put their skills to the test at The Gorge Raceway. These cars have proven to be very close in performance and handling. After a couple hours of testing and showing what racers have been working on, it was time to get down to business. This race had Weener Winner (Weekly Winner) Points were up for grabs. It was decided to run 2 races for 2 Weener points; 3.5 minute heats / 1 time through. The results show some very close racing all the way down the finishing order. Thank you to those who came out.

Race 1:

Name Laps

1. Racerbob 129
2. Bad Billy 125
3. Bartman 115
4. Rico (Chet) 114
5. Howie 113
6. Terry 112
7. Weddle It Be 101 

Race 2

1. Bad Billy 123
2. Racerbob 122
3. Bartman 118
4. Rico (Chet) 115
5. Terry 113
6. Howie 110.7
7. Weddle It Be 110.6

It was a nice looking field of cars!
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Thanks for putting this on Howie. It's nice to see so much interest and enthusiasm in the hobby! I had a great time!

Here is the blueprint for the Hanna Econo Chassis build:

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Thanks Bob for drawing this up!

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Thanks Bart for putting this together!

In summary this was just a preliminary test of one of each of the new Parma motors Mid America has available. We all know the performance of slot car motors can vary a lot, even between like model numbers from the same manufacturer. This was just an unscientific test between random examples of each model. But it did re-enforce my thinking that there are not any stock motors out there that have a distinct advantage over the others. There's always a chance you may get lucky and purchase that "perfect" motor, but I think generally one is about as good as another. As far as reliabilty and quality, we shall learn more over time.

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Bob Nakamura will keep stocking the Proslot Super 16D motors. He does not have access to wholesale pricing on these new Parma motors, nor does he wish to add to the inventory PASER already stocks. Something I agree with 100%. If you want to try a different motor these new Parma's seem to be of good quality, but the best deals on motors and parts are through our club! I will be racing with one of these five in my car where the rules call for 16D motors. We'll see how they stack up!

Once the motors were broken in I prepped the chassis for testing. I felt this would be a good chassis to use as a "test mule" because I have raced it a lot for a number of years. I felt my test results shouldn't be affected much by getting use to the chassis and its handling on my track. For testing I mounted a Psortsman Class '70 Chevelle body on the chassis (one of the better handling bodies for this class).

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First motor on the track was the #702 Big Daddy. One thing I noticed was there did not seem to be a lot of motor braking. Speed seemed good, and my fastest lap after 25 laps was 5.117. After the first 25 laps the motor was pretty hot. After 50 laps my best time was a 5.127, and the motor did not seem to get any hotter.

Second up was the #499 Rotor motor. I did not make any adjustments to the motor's timing. I ran it right out of the package. After 25 laps my best lap was a 5.108, and the motor was hot. After 50 laps I was down to a 5.057 for a best lap. The motor did not seem to get any hotter. This motor felt a little quicker, and seemed to have a little better brakes than the #702.

The third test was with the #501 Deathstar. After 25 laps my quickest lap was a 5.190. After 50 laps I got down to a 5.105. This motor seemed to have better brakes, and did not seem to run as hot as the previous two. This motor seemed to have good even linear power. It was the easiest to drive.

The fourth motor on the track was the #502 Super 16D. Right off the bat this motor seemed to be the quickest and fastest. It also had the best brakes of the group. Temp-wise it ran as hot as the first two. In the first 25 laps I posted a fastest lap of 5.027. In the next 25 laps my best was only a 5.104.

The fifth and last motor to be tested was the #701 Cruiser. This motor seemed to be the slowest of the bunch, but it did not get as hot as any of the others. I ran smooth and consistantly, but it just seemed to be a little softer. Not as quick and snappy. In the first 25 laps I ran a 5.230 best lap. After 50 laps I was down to a 5.195 best.

Today I completed some initial testing of the five motors. My plan called for the use of a vintage Hanna Econo Chassis to be used as the test "mule", to get a feeling of each motors performance. The chassis has .890" rear tires, spun with a 33 tooth crown gear. I installed a new 7 tooth pinion gear on each motor. The motor's armature output shafts had to be cut down to .250" in length to fit this chassis' motor box. I had to trim off 1/16" on all but the #501 and the #701 motor shafts for bracket to axle clearance.

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While working on the motors I noticed some things. There were no balancing marks on any of these motors. There were no I.D. tags on any of these arms. Each of the motor's cans had the old style oval cooling holes, except for the #499. All of the arm's stack height were the same at approximately .490". Although the height of the armature plates/stack were the same, the spacing between the plate ends (where the windings reside) was not the same for all of the motors. The gap between the poles on the #702 and the #701 were .148", the gap on the others was narrower at .062".

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After the pinion gears were installed and the motors oiled, I broke in each motor with my variable power supple set at 4 volts. I let each of the motors run at that constant voltage for 20 minutes with the goal of getting the brushes seated in on the commutator. Each motor showed a current draw of .75 amp at that voltage, except for the #701 which read approximately .60 amps.

I'm sure some of you have heard that Mid America is now manufacturing new Parma 16D motors. This led to some discussion last week about the use of these motors would affect our current motor rules. We felt there probably would not be an distinct advantage so we edited our rules to allow all "stock" 16D motors regardless of manufacturer. Right now I believe there are only two manufacturers offering new 16D motors, Proslot and Mid America with the new Parma motors.

Just to verify our initial thoughts I decided to purchase one each oof the motors Mid America offers. There are 5 motors offered by Mid America. They are listed here in no particular order:

#702 Parma Sealed Big Daddy .560 S-16D.
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#499 Parma Rotor Super S16-D.
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#501 Parma Deathstar 16D.
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#502 Parma Super 16D.
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#701 Parma Sealed Cruiser .560 16D.
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Jim,

Of those you requested, here's what I have left:

1 only Porsche 908 V3 Lola
1 only 1966 GT40 MKII
1 only Ferrari 312P Vintage
No McLaren M12 Lola left - none

I set the bodies I have on your list aside for you. Would you like me to start a list of bodies for another order? The list would be available for anyone that is looking for a body or two that I don't currently have. I would submit another order when there are at least 10 bodies on the list.

On a side note, I am sending another shipment of bodies to TBG to make molds off of. There should be another 10 to 20 or so bodies available later this year.

===========Bill

On a cool and wet Saturday, 8 Racers came back to tackle The Gorge Raceway's Trans Am make up race. All 8 racers were from the original race group and came ready to have a good time and eat more taco's. A big thank you to Doug Sinsical, who came to observe and corner marshal the race. This race had some close, side by side racing and everybody finished the race. The racer's choice award went to Mike Guthrie and his Petty Blue Ford Mustang #43.

The race went through 3 rotations with 3.5 minute heats for a total of 42 minutes of driving for each racer. Thank you for supporting local club racing.

The results:

1st. Racerbob         415 laps
2nd. Bad Billy         386 laps
3rd. Howie             373 laps
4th. Al (Meat)         366 laps
5th. Mike G.            358 laps
6th. Bartman           352 laps
7th. Tiny Tim           343 laps
8th. Weddle it Be    327 Laps

Bob Nakamura reporting.

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I will check today and get back to you this afternoon Jim.

NASTE 2025 Point Series Championship Race No.5 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway January 9, 2025

Race Results -  Revoslot Class:

1. Daniel - 8 pts.
2. Zack - 7 pts.
3. Al - 6 pts.
4. Greg - 5 pts.
5. David - 4 pts.
6. Rico - 3 pts.
7. Mitch - 2 pts.
8. Doug - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2025 NASTE Point Series Championship After 6 Races:

1 Al - 34 points.
2 Daniel - 31 pts.
3 Rico - 23 pts.
4 Douglas - 14 pts.
5 Greg - 11 pts.
6 David - 10 pts.
7 Mitch - 9 pts.
8 Zack - 7 pts.
9 Stan - 2 pts.
10 Elliot - 1 pt.

Race results from the January 9, 2025 race:

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With all the new folks we have getting involved in our local racing lately, I thought I would open a discussion to help try and clarify the differences and similarities between groups. In an effort to narrow the discussion I will focaus on the groups currently racing 1/24 scale road course cars.

I am aware of three clubs/groups/organizations currently holding races in the Portland area. Northwest True Scale, PASER, and OSCAR.

Northwest True Scale's home track is Rapid Raceway, owned by Howie, and located in northeast Portland.

PASER has four associated tracks:
The Gorge Raceway in Troutdale and Springwater Raceway, both owned by Bob.
Inslot's Checkered Flag Raceway in Vancouver, owned by Bill.
Rob's Redline Raceway in Vancouver, owned by Rob (of course).

OSCAR's home track is Tom's World in Bend, owned by (you guessed it) Tom. OSCAR races are also held at Springwater and Inslot's Checkered Flag.

Contrary to what some think, all three of these groups are actually very similar. All three focus mainly on racing 1/24 cars with custom built chassis and injection molded (model car) type bodies. All three have other classes they also race.

All three groups use the same three motor types in their various classes.

The biggest difference that separates Northwest True Scale from PASER and OSCAR is; PASER and OSCAR both allow smaller diameter wheels/tires, and "O" rings for fronts.

OSCAR and PASER are very similar in regards to rules.

Northwest True Scale and PASER have classes for cars with bolt together chassis.

Northwest True Scale also has classes for cars with .030" thick Lexan bodies.

PASER has classes for Flexi type cars and 1/32 Parma Womp Womps.

So if you have any questions about any of these groups, or their rules, let's get them out here!

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Jan. 6, 2025

Clarification to "Motors: Group Standard" rules.

The race at Inslot's Checkered Flag Raceway in Vancouver on January 25th will be for NASCAR.

I am still fielding a lot of questions about this upcoming race, so I thought I would post this for some clarification.

The OSCAR Rules for NASCAR will be observed. The rules are actually quite simple, so let me give you an overview:

1. The chassis must be of inline motor configuration. Build it however you want, out of whatever you want, but it must have an inline motor, and have .055" minimum ground clearance.

2. None of the tires (front or rear) can be shorter than 3/4" (.750"). Tires cannot extend past body.

3. Bodies must be model car type injection molded bodies. Model years 1980 to present are elligible, 1/24th or 1/25th, and must include a driver figure.

4. Minimum body height (as measured from bottom of chassis to top of body) is 1.875".

5. ANY Super 16D motor.

- That is pretty much it! Although the written rules are more detailed, this outline covers the essencials! The complete OSCAR NASCAR Rules are listed below for those interested.

The race format will be the standard PASER or Rapid Raceway type format. There will be three rounds of racing (3 times through), each consisting of four minute heats. The racer's round robin style grid line up and rotation will be set randomly by the computer. There will NOT be any qualifying. Although the elligible cars must comply with the OSCAR rules, this is NOT an official OSCAR race.

Race entry fee is $15, which includes lunch and box plaques/plates.


OSCAR NASCAR Rules (in complete form):

Chassis:
All chassis must have beveled pans to protect track surface from gouging.
Must be a 90-degree inline configuration
Chassis may be constructed using any material.
Cars will have a minimum of .055” ground clearance.
Chassis cannot be visible or protrude past the body perimeter when viewed from above or through the drivers compartment. Visible chassis parts must be painted black or darkened as not to show.
Either oilites or ball bearings are legal for axles unless stated otherwise.

Tires:
All four tires must touch and roll on the track.
All tires will have black sidewalls
No tire will have less than ¾” diameter.
When viewed from above, tires may not extend beyond the widest part of the wheel opening, when the chassis is at its center of lateral movement.
Front wheels must not be partially hidden by the front or rear edges of the stock front wheel well. (This does not include the top of the well.)

Bodies:
Guide flags must not extend past the foremost part of the body when viewed from above.
All cars will have a painted, detailed driver to scale. Interior cockpit tray must conceal the whole chassis.
All cars will be painted. (Clearcoat does not count) and numbered in at least three places. Numbers will be at least ½” tall.
All bodies will begin races intact and complete, with no missing parts Bodies will have front and rear windows.
Replacement windows other than stock are not allowed.
Bodies may not be stretched or modified to fit the chassis.
Bodies may not have material moved unless specified in the Modification section of the class.

Open Motors:
Only Super 16D set-ups allowed.
Super 16D Arms allowed.
No Rewinding or Dewinding allowed.
No shimming magnets.
Replacement magnets allowed- no cobalt or neo magnets allowed.
Ball bearings and oilites allowed in either end of motor.
Blueprinting allowed.
No shunts.

Late Model Nascar
Scale:   1/24th-1/25th
Years:  1980 to Present
Bodies: Replica of an American made “NASCAR” sedan no ASA cars.
Drivers: Vacuformed or resin cast.
Body height: 1/24th bodies shall not be less than 1 7/8” (1.875) tall measured from ½” behind the windshield at the center of the roofline to the bottom of the chassis (air dams excluded) 1/25th excluded from this rule but must not be lowered at all.
Modifications: Bodies may be trimmed to remove part of the front spoiler and side air dams (to stock valence height for proper track clearance.
Motors: Open Super 16D.

Rico, you not only had a great car in that number 16 Ferrari, you drove an excellent race! Nice job!

Here are some more photos from the day of racing:

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Rapid Raceway held the first race of 2025, and it was a barn burner!

Howie chose a double header race to start off the new year. He used a two race format with the first race for Can Am class cars, the second race was for the Porsche 962 class. Each race consisted of two rounds of four minute heat races. There were awards for first through third place in each race. In the Can Am race Bob Nakamura was clearly in control. His car was very well prepared and was clearly the fastest and best handling car in the field. The rest of us all duked it out behind Bob, and man was it a battle! It was less than ten laps between positions all the way back to seventh. If you finished in the top ten, you had a very good race!

Can Am starting grid.
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Race results for Can Am:

1.....Bob N-----------------390 laps------------------4.409 fast time.
2.....Bart--------------------372-----------------------4.501
3.....Rico--------------------371-----------------------4.499
4.....Bill---------------------362-----------------------4.575
5.....Mike G-----------------357-----------------------4.641
6.....Al----------------------353------------------------4.672
7.....Tiny--------------------346------------------------4.845
8.....Howie------------------333------------------------4.594
9.....Bill E--------------------315------------------------5.128
10...Doug-------------------314------------------------4.449
11...Jordan------------------276------------------------5.010
12...Hershe------------------215------------------------4.817

The Porsche 962 race was no different as far as the competiveness. However this time Howie was able to stay ahead of Bob for the win. Howie and Bob clearly had the field covered, but form third through seventh it was again very close!

The Porsche 962 starting grid.
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Porsche 962 results:

1.....Howie-------------------386-------------------------?
2.....Bob N-------------------381------------------------4.451
3.....Bart---------------------369------------------------4.763
4.....Al-----------------------366-------------------------4.847
5.....Mike G-----------------353-------------------------4.492
6.....Jordan------------------352-------------------------4.550
7.....Bill E--------------------349-------------------------4.718
8.....Tiny---------------------318-------------------------5.221
9.....Doug-------------------298-------------------------4.948
10...Hershe-----------------189-------------------------4.979
11...Bill----------------------175-------------------------4.490

I'd like to thank Hoiwe for yet again another fantastic day of racing at Rapid Raceway! As usual the pizza lunch was also very good and much appreciated! I'd also like to commend all of our new racers for some outstanding driving! They all raced very well, and aside from some mechanical issues finished well. The racing at Rapid Raceway has become so good and so close, to win you not only need a really good car, you need to have an exceptional day of driving! Congratulations to all the racers!

Thanks for the race report Rico!

Merry Christmas to all!

Thanks Howie, Merry Christmas to you and your family too!

NASTE 2025 Point Series Championship Race No.5 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway December 19, 2024

Race Results -  Slot.it Polycar Classics Class:

1. Doc - 6 pts.
2. Al - 5 pts.
3. Greg - 4 pts.
4. Rico - 3 pts.
5. Doug - 2 pts.
6. Mitch - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2025 NASTE Point Series Championship After 5 Races:

1 Al - 28 points.
2 Daniel - 23 pts.
3 Rico - 20 pts.
4 Douglas - 13 pts.
5 Mitch - 7 pts.
6 - tie - David - 6 pts.
6 - tie - Greg - 6pts.
8 Stan - 2 pts.
9 Elliot - 1 pt.