NASTE 2025 Point Series Championship Race No.7 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway January 23, 2025

Race Results -  Slot.it Polycar Classics Class:

1. Daniel - 8 pts.
2. Al - 7 pts.
3. Rico - 6 pts.
4. Greg - 5 pts.
5. Mitch - 4 pts.
6. Zack - 3 pts.
7. Monte - 2 pts.
8. Stan - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2025 NASTE Point Series Championship After 7 Races:

1 Al - 41 points.
2 Daniel - 39 pts.
3 Rico - 29 pts.
4 Greg - 16 pts.
5 Douglas - 14 pts.
6 Mitch - 13 pts.
7 - tie -  David - 10 pts.
7 - tie -  Zack - 10 pts.
9 Stan - 3 pts.
10 Monte - 2 pts.
11 Elliot - 1 pt.

Race results from January 23, 2025:

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Plus one lap for Rico on this screen:
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Thanks Howie! It was great having you on the grid!

Your car was awesome Al! I think it is so cool that all you guys that participated in Stuart's chassis building class all ended up with really good cars!

Here's a few more pictures...
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After having Firehouse sub sandwhiches for lunch, we got ready for the third and final round. As Race Director I set the line up for the last round. My goal was to have the rotation set in a way that each racer would be side by side with their closest competitor for at least two heats of racing. I believe I succeeded, but I will wait to see and hear the reviews from the racers themselves. Here are the results from the final round:

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Final Results:

1st Stuart (Stew Meat)  554 laps
2nd Bob (Nak Nak)        536
3rd Bart                        524
4th Mike (Mike G)          514
5th Al (Meat)                 502
6th Tim (Tiny)               491
7th Bill                          473
8th Howie                      454
9th Jerry                       453
10th Mark (Skid Mark)    427
11th Hersch                   409
12th Austin                    340

Kudos go out to Hersch for competing with a Hanna Econo type chassis. A good chassis but clearly not as well handling as the current generation of hardbody chassis. He finished very well with a lesser chassis design.

Kudos to Mike for his excellent finish in his first race with his new chassis. Mike has become an excellent chassis builder! His chassis are well constructed and just plain beautiful!

Kudos to Al for suffereing adversity and sticking with it to finish fifth!

Kudos to Mark who hasn't been at the track for awhile, but got into the groove and drove a solid race!

Kudos to Howie for showing us all that a "Big Wheel" NWTS NASCAR can compete with OSCAR cars!

Kudos to new racer Austin who battled through the race with a new car, and multiple controller switches!

Thanks to Stuart for making it to the race. It is always great to have Stuart in the mix. He is always there to help other racers and lend great advice!

Thanks to Bob for being there and as always supporting all of our racing habits by managing and supplying us with parts and advice!

Thanks to Jerry for your friendliness, attitude, and willingness to help other racers, including loaning out cars and equipment! You're the best Jerry!

Thanks to Bart for being there. In the few years he's been racing with us, Bart has become one of our best competitors! He is a clean racer, and he is always fast!

And last but not least, thanks to Tim! Tim is always there to race, and is now also a track builder! Everybody needs to get over to Tim's and try out his new track!

Well That's about it........Thank you all!

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We raced the first and second rounds consecutively. Everyone started getting settled into the track and dialed in for the second round. It was the same leaders out front, but the rest of the field was tightening up. As usual there were some difficulties suffered by some, but nobody was put out of the race. All of the racers that had problems overcame them and returned to race on. Of note was Howie's entry. Howie raced a "Big Wheel" Northwest True Scale spec car. The car featured a fabbed aluminum bolt in motor box. This featured most likely saved him as he was involved in a spectacular wreck! His car deslotted in the bank and as another car was exiting the back at full throttle (OK it was me...) it hit Howie's car sending it airborn into the wall of the next turn. It was amazing the car was not destroyed! After the conclusion of the second round of racing we broke for lunch.

Results after the second round:

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Jerry & Hersch.
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Yesterday Inslot's Checkered Flag Raceway hosted a late model NASCAR race. All entries were required to comply with the OSCAR rules for late model NASCAR. 12 racers showed up for the race, some of whom had built cars at the chassis class Stuart Wall put on awhile back. The standard OSCAR format was not used as this was not an official OSCAR race. Instead we raced 3 rounds of 4 minute heats with the starting line up set randomly by the computer. The last round of racing was set by the race director based on the racer's first round finish positions. There was no qualifying period.

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From the drop of the green flag it was obvious this was going to be a fast group of race cars! Like them or not, I believe everyone would agree these are some fast, excellent handling, hardbody slot cars! Lee Dundas Sr. and Bob McFarland truly lead us into the promised land of hardbody slot car racing! These cars are unique to Oregon and now southern Washington. They are not raced anywhere else!

But back to the race. In the first round Stuart made a statement by besting the field. Bob was the only racer close to Stuart, just 3 laps behind. Bart was racing the chassis he built in Stuart's class, and was in the hunt in third with a strong run. Mike showed his newly built chassis was a contender by holding the fourth spot.

First round results:
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Here are some additional drawings and information courtesy of Frank Lynn. Details and dimensions can very slightly from one builder to another.

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This is the parts list for Frank's build:

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Here's a drawing for fabricating your own quide tongue:

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As usual, everyone had a great time at The Gorge Raceway! Thanks Bob!

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In my opinion, The Gorge Raceway is the most challenging track we race on! To be quick on this track requires your full concentration and a fair amount of restraint!

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Rico started out super fast, but a few offs allowed a couple of us to catch him. The racing was SO close!

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Jerry had what I think was the best looking car. Here it is the "Weddle Womp"!

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PASER Monday was Womp night. 7 Racers came to have some fun and put their skills to the test at The Gorge Raceway. These cars have proven to be very close in performance and handling. After a couple hours of testing and showing what racers have been working on, it was time to get down to business. This race had Weener Winner (Weekly Winner) Points were up for grabs. It was decided to run 2 races for 2 Weener points; 3.5 minute heats / 1 time through. The results show some very close racing all the way down the finishing order. Thank you to those who came out.

Race 1:

Name Laps

1. Racerbob 129
2. Bad Billy 125
3. Bartman 115
4. Rico (Chet) 114
5. Howie 113
6. Terry 112
7. Weddle It Be 101 

Race 2

1. Bad Billy 123
2. Racerbob 122
3. Bartman 118
4. Rico (Chet) 115
5. Terry 113
6. Howie 110.7
7. Weddle It Be 110.6

It was a nice looking field of cars!
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Thanks for putting this on Howie. It's nice to see so much interest and enthusiasm in the hobby! I had a great time!

Here is the blueprint for the Hanna Econo Chassis build:

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Thanks Bob for drawing this up!

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Thanks Bart for putting this together!

In summary this was just a preliminary test of one of each of the new Parma motors Mid America has available. We all know the performance of slot car motors can vary a lot, even between like model numbers from the same manufacturer. This was just an unscientific test between random examples of each model. But it did re-enforce my thinking that there are not any stock motors out there that have a distinct advantage over the others. There's always a chance you may get lucky and purchase that "perfect" motor, but I think generally one is about as good as another. As far as reliabilty and quality, we shall learn more over time.

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Bob Nakamura will keep stocking the Proslot Super 16D motors. He does not have access to wholesale pricing on these new Parma motors, nor does he wish to add to the inventory PASER already stocks. Something I agree with 100%. If you want to try a different motor these new Parma's seem to be of good quality, but the best deals on motors and parts are through our club! I will be racing with one of these five in my car where the rules call for 16D motors. We'll see how they stack up!

Once the motors were broken in I prepped the chassis for testing. I felt this would be a good chassis to use as a "test mule" because I have raced it a lot for a number of years. I felt my test results shouldn't be affected much by getting use to the chassis and its handling on my track. For testing I mounted a Psortsman Class '70 Chevelle body on the chassis (one of the better handling bodies for this class).

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First motor on the track was the #702 Big Daddy. One thing I noticed was there did not seem to be a lot of motor braking. Speed seemed good, and my fastest lap after 25 laps was 5.117. After the first 25 laps the motor was pretty hot. After 50 laps my best time was a 5.127, and the motor did not seem to get any hotter.

Second up was the #499 Rotor motor. I did not make any adjustments to the motor's timing. I ran it right out of the package. After 25 laps my best lap was a 5.108, and the motor was hot. After 50 laps I was down to a 5.057 for a best lap. The motor did not seem to get any hotter. This motor felt a little quicker, and seemed to have a little better brakes than the #702.

The third test was with the #501 Deathstar. After 25 laps my quickest lap was a 5.190. After 50 laps I got down to a 5.105. This motor seemed to have better brakes, and did not seem to run as hot as the previous two. This motor seemed to have good even linear power. It was the easiest to drive.

The fourth motor on the track was the #502 Super 16D. Right off the bat this motor seemed to be the quickest and fastest. It also had the best brakes of the group. Temp-wise it ran as hot as the first two. In the first 25 laps I posted a fastest lap of 5.027. In the next 25 laps my best was only a 5.104.

The fifth and last motor to be tested was the #701 Cruiser. This motor seemed to be the slowest of the bunch, but it did not get as hot as any of the others. I ran smooth and consistantly, but it just seemed to be a little softer. Not as quick and snappy. In the first 25 laps I ran a 5.230 best lap. After 50 laps I was down to a 5.195 best.

Today I completed some initial testing of the five motors. My plan called for the use of a vintage Hanna Econo Chassis to be used as the test "mule", to get a feeling of each motors performance. The chassis has .890" rear tires, spun with a 33 tooth crown gear. I installed a new 7 tooth pinion gear on each motor. The motor's armature output shafts had to be cut down to .250" in length to fit this chassis' motor box. I had to trim off 1/16" on all but the #501 and the #701 motor shafts for bracket to axle clearance.

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While working on the motors I noticed some things. There were no balancing marks on any of these motors. There were no I.D. tags on any of these arms. Each of the motor's cans had the old style oval cooling holes, except for the #499. All of the arm's stack height were the same at approximately .490". Although the height of the armature plates/stack were the same, the spacing between the plate ends (where the windings reside) was not the same for all of the motors. The gap between the poles on the #702 and the #701 were .148", the gap on the others was narrower at .062".

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After the pinion gears were installed and the motors oiled, I broke in each motor with my variable power supple set at 4 volts. I let each of the motors run at that constant voltage for 20 minutes with the goal of getting the brushes seated in on the commutator. Each motor showed a current draw of .75 amp at that voltage, except for the #701 which read approximately .60 amps.

I'm sure some of you have heard that Mid America is now manufacturing new Parma 16D motors. This led to some discussion last week about the use of these motors would affect our current motor rules. We felt there probably would not be an distinct advantage so we edited our rules to allow all "stock" 16D motors regardless of manufacturer. Right now I believe there are only two manufacturers offering new 16D motors, Proslot and Mid America with the new Parma motors.

Just to verify our initial thoughts I decided to purchase one each oof the motors Mid America offers. There are 5 motors offered by Mid America. They are listed here in no particular order:

#702 Parma Sealed Big Daddy .560 S-16D.
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#499 Parma Rotor Super S16-D.
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#501 Parma Deathstar 16D.
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#502 Parma Super 16D.
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#701 Parma Sealed Cruiser .560 16D.
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Jim,

Of those you requested, here's what I have left:

1 only Porsche 908 V3 Lola
1 only 1966 GT40 MKII
1 only Ferrari 312P Vintage
No McLaren M12 Lola left - none

I set the bodies I have on your list aside for you. Would you like me to start a list of bodies for another order? The list would be available for anyone that is looking for a body or two that I don't currently have. I would submit another order when there are at least 10 bodies on the list.

On a side note, I am sending another shipment of bodies to TBG to make molds off of. There should be another 10 to 20 or so bodies available later this year.

===========Bill

On a cool and wet Saturday, 8 Racers came back to tackle The Gorge Raceway's Trans Am make up race. All 8 racers were from the original race group and came ready to have a good time and eat more taco's. A big thank you to Doug Sinsical, who came to observe and corner marshal the race. This race had some close, side by side racing and everybody finished the race. The racer's choice award went to Mike Guthrie and his Petty Blue Ford Mustang #43.

The race went through 3 rotations with 3.5 minute heats for a total of 42 minutes of driving for each racer. Thank you for supporting local club racing.

The results:

1st. Racerbob         415 laps
2nd. Bad Billy         386 laps
3rd. Howie             373 laps
4th. Al (Meat)         366 laps
5th. Mike G.            358 laps
6th. Bartman           352 laps
7th. Tiny Tim           343 laps
8th. Weddle it Be    327 Laps

Bob Nakamura reporting.

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I will check today and get back to you this afternoon Jim.

NASTE 2025 Point Series Championship Race No.6 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway January 9, 2025

Race Results -  Revoslot Class:

1. Daniel - 8 pts.
2. Zack - 7 pts.
3. Al - 6 pts.
4. Greg - 5 pts.
5. David - 4 pts.
6. Rico - 3 pts.
7. Mitch - 2 pts.
8. Doug - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2025 NASTE Point Series Championship After 6 Races:

1 Al - 34 points.
2 Daniel - 31 pts.
3 Rico - 23 pts.
4 Douglas - 14 pts.
5 Greg - 11 pts.
6 David - 10 pts.
7 Mitch - 9 pts.
8 Zack - 7 pts.
9 Stan - 2 pts.
10 Elliot - 1 pt.

Race results from the January 9, 2025 race:

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With all the new folks we have getting involved in our local racing lately, I thought I would open a discussion to help try and clarify the differences and similarities between groups. In an effort to narrow the discussion I will focaus on the groups currently racing 1/24 scale road course cars.

I am aware of three clubs/groups/organizations currently holding races in the Portland area. Northwest True Scale, PASER, and OSCAR.

Northwest True Scale's home track is Rapid Raceway, owned by Howie, and located in northeast Portland.

PASER has four associated tracks:
The Gorge Raceway in Troutdale and Springwater Raceway, both owned by Bob.
Inslot's Checkered Flag Raceway in Vancouver, owned by Bill.
Rob's Redline Raceway in Vancouver, owned by Rob (of course).

OSCAR's home track is Tom's World in Bend, owned by (you guessed it) Tom. OSCAR races are also held at Springwater and Inslot's Checkered Flag.

Contrary to what some think, all three of these groups are actually very similar. All three focus mainly on racing 1/24 cars with custom built chassis and injection molded (model car) type bodies. All three have other classes they also race.

All three groups use the same three motor types in their various classes.

The biggest difference that separates Northwest True Scale from PASER and OSCAR is; PASER and OSCAR both allow smaller diameter wheels/tires, and "O" rings for fronts.

OSCAR and PASER are very similar in regards to rules.

Northwest True Scale and PASER have classes for cars with bolt together chassis.

Northwest True Scale also has classes for cars with .030" thick Lexan bodies.

PASER has classes for Flexi type cars and 1/32 Parma Womp Womps.

So if you have any questions about any of these groups, or their rules, let's get them out here!