I met Gary Beedle at the Western States Nationals in 1986. Gary Beedle was and still is THE HO slot car guru. What impressed me most about Gary was how comfortable he made everyone feel. He truly is a very nice person. He is also very enthusiastic about the slot car hobby, and I believe that is one reason for his success. Although I did not attend the '88 Turkey Tourist Trophy Race, I imagine it was well organized and went off without a hitch, just as the Western States Championship did in '86.
4,626 March 8, 2014 1:09 pm
Topic: Turkey Tourist Trophy Race - 1988 (0 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
4,627 March 6, 2014 5:33 pm
Topic: Washington vs. Oregon Spring Open - 1983 (0 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
In the spring of 1983, Jimmy Watts of Tacoma Washington organized a drag racing event to bring together the Washington based HO Drag Racing Association and Oregon racers. Jimmy produced great programs for the participants. The event was publicized as a Washington versus Oregon match up. We Oregon racers were not well versed in HO slot car drag racing, the majority of our racing was of the road course type of racing. But we accepted HODRA's challenge.
My memory of the race is somewhat vague because I had to leave early for work that Saturday. From what I do remember of the race it was held on a track constructed of Aurora Thunderjet 500 track, and it was outside at Paul Fromm's house in southeast Portland. During the morning hours the track was fine, but as the sun got higher in the sky and the temperature rose, the track did too! I remember the track gaining some elevation in the form of humps, or small hills. This made the drag racing very exciting as the track warped and grew in the sun! If memory serves me correctly when it was all said and done, an Oregon racer by the name of Dave Nydigger had won almost every race in every class! There were approximately 9 different classes of cars, and Dave's entries were the baddest of the bad!
Dave Nydigger had the knowledge and ability to build incredibly fast slot car motors. He was totally amazing, whatever he touched ran like the voltage was doubled! He won everything, all the time! When Dave showed up for a race we all knew we were fighting it out for second place! Dave Nydigger was our Oregon HO racing hero and legend, and to me more than 30 years later, he still is.
4,628 March 6, 2014 11:21 am
Topic: H.O.R.O. Newsletters (1 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
In 1982 I was in my own little world collecting slot cars as I had since I was a kid. I started playing with (yes I said it), and collecting slot cars in or around 1962. In 1983 in an effort to build my collection, I took out an ad in the Oregonian, a local newspaper. In the ad I stated I wanted to buy toy slot cars. I was almost immediately awakened to the fact that I was NOT the only collector of slot cars on the planet. The Friday the ad came out I was contacted by Bart Currie and Mike Bell, both local slot car collectors. Shocked and amazed we set up our first meeting. Bart and Mike were friends already, and both wondered who I was and where I had come from! In those years there were few collectors around, and finding old slot car stuff was difficult. I'll save the collecting stories for another time, but Bart, Mike and I are still friends to this day.
Also during 1983 I had started construction on an HO track in my basement. Bart introduced me to the local HO club HORREO. After meeting the guys in HORREO I increased my efforts in completing my track (again another story for another time). After I completed my track we started holding some races. Somewhere along the line we met Dave Smith in Salem, and Lee Freitag in Lebanon and held races on their tracks also. In Lebanon Oregon on January 8, 1984 the name HO Racers of Oregon or HORO was adopted for our group. I've always disliked the term club. It seems so exclusive and strict. I always referred to our organization as a group, even though in reality it actually was a club. At any rate one thing I figured out right away was, for any club to succeed it needed two things; 1) dedicated members, and 2) new members. Dedicated members to keep things organized and scheduled, and new members to keep enthusiasm and interest high. I also realized additional benefits (in addition to the tracks and scheduled races) could help bring in new members, and keep existing members. I thought possibly a newsletter would be of some value, just as I hope this website of our's adds extra value.
So In January of 1984, I put together the first of what would be quite a few H.O.R.O. Newsletters. The first newsletter was mostly designed to test the waters. I asked for responses and solicited for articles to be submitted for print. The response I received was great, and newsletter number 2 included some of those submitted articles. The newsletters were very labor intensive! Numbers 1 through 4 were type written on an old manual typewriter with a bad ribbon. They were crude and hard to read. In newsletter number 3, I added a cartoon from an old magazine. I photo copied the cartoon, cut out the picture from the photo copy, and pasted it onto a blank section I had left on one of the pages of the hand typed newsletter. The manual typewriter was getting to be a pain. It was so old I couldn't find a new ribbon for it, and it did not function well at all. Of course I couldn't (and still can't) type well either, so constantly retyping entire pages was getting old too!
Newsletter number 5 had a new look. I'd had enough of that old manual typewriter so I went out and bought a brand new Brother electronic typewriter. It was more like a word processor as I could type out one or two lines, see it on the readout, and make any necessary corrections before it was actually printed to page. Man, I was HIGH TECH now! By newsletter number 8 the cost of ink/ribbon cartridges, photocopying, envelopes, and stamps for mailing was getting out of hand. My mailing list was expanding and the costs were ever increasing. In an effort to save some money I changed the format of the newsletter. I got this idea from Jimmy Watts of Tacoma, who put out a great little booklet for an HO drag race he organized between Washington and Oregon teams (yes, yes, yet another story). Anyway I switched to a folded 7 inch by 4 1/2 inch paged pamphlet. That resulted in fewer copies per page, but it made it more difficult to read (I did receive some complaints - maybe the first enactment of Too Bad!). Numbers 9 through 13 retained that smaller format, although I increased the number of photocopied pictures in each issue to try to help break up the printed pages. This required more of that cut & paste technique (literally) I had developed.
For newsletter number 14 I thought I would try to break away from the H.O.R.O. specific club theme of the newsletter. I decided to rename the newsletter Slot Line. I had gotten involved with a few other clubs and my intent was to cover races, events, and other information from all the clubs. Unfortunately, at that point my life took some unexpected turns and the project died. Eventually and gradually I came back to slot car racing but I never resumed the newsletter. The newsletter replacement for me was this NASTE.org website. I must say that in this respect, the future is good!
4,629 March 5, 2014 4:06 pm
Re: Oregon Slot Sports Management (3 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
Thanks Smooth! I got LOTS of material to post!!!
4,630 March 5, 2014 3:44 pm
Topic: Pit Stop Race and Trade Day - 1984 (0 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
A handmade poster for a race and day of trading at Lee Freitag's huge six lane HO track in Lebanon Oregon. Lee's track was so big we only ran the four inside lanes. The track included a series of ess turns over ten feet in length! It was a tough track to learn! Although there is no year stated on the date of the event, I believe it was around 1985. The poster was made on a 13 3/4 inch by 8 1/2 inch piece of paper, a very cool piece of HORO Club racing memorabilia!
4,631 March 5, 2014 3:32 pm
Topic: Wilsonville 2500 (0 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
This was a flyer sent out for a PASER Club enduro. Wish I had the date for this one. The enduros in Lee Dundas' barn always included a great lunch!
4,632 March 5, 2014 3:27 pm
Topic: ASAM Swap Meet - 1983 (0 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
Back in the day we had to do all our flyers by hand! Images such as the illustration of the Aurora Thunderjet HO car, were done by cut & paste (literally) to paper. and then photo copied. This swap meet was put on while I was a member of the HO Racers of Oregon or HORO. This was the second swap meet we held, the first being for HO slot cars only and was held in my garage. For this swap meet we rented a building that was used as a daycare center during the weekdays. We included all types of toy cars in this meet and advertised in local newspapers and the Nickle Ads. The were surprised as the response was terrific! We had request from toy dealers and other individuals to rent tables, something we had not even considered. The meet was a success and we all had a great time! As I recall we had over 50 people show up! That was a big number for toy car enthusiasts in 1983!
4,633 March 5, 2014 3:16 pm
Topic: Model World Hobby Shop (0 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
This flyer dates back to the early 1980s. My memory is fuzzy on this one, so if anybody can provide more detail please do so! The hobby shop was in Springfield Oregon, and unfortunately I don't recall ever even visiting it. My fiend Russ Bessonette lived in the area and I believe I may have gotten the flyer from him. Speaking of Russ, has anybody ever heard from him?
4,634 March 5, 2014 3:10 pm
Topic: PASER Rule Book (0 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
PASER, to my knowledge the oldest and still active slot car club in Oregon. I found out about PASER in 1984, and at that time they had already been racing for over 20 years! In 1984 and before, the club was known as Portland Area Controlled Electric Racers or PACER. Sometime after 1986 the name Portland Area Scale Electric Racingor PASER was adopted, and has been used since. When I first raced with PASER they were holding races on two different tracks in Lee Dundas' barn in Wilsonville Oregon, and on Bob McFarland's track in Aloha Oregon. Although the document listed as PASER Rule Book in the NASTE Library does not provide any dates, I would estimate the year it covers is around 1988.
4,635 March 5, 2014 2:51 pm
Topic: Oregon Slot Sports Management (3 replies, posted in The NASTE Library)
On August 9th 1988 Doug Haynes wrote me a letter detailing his plan to start a non-club sanctioning body to promote a new slot car racing series in Oregon. Doug called this new sanctioning body/promotional organization Oregon Slot Sports Management, OSSM. Initially six races were scheduled beginning in mid-October of 1988, running through March of 1989. The six races were run at two locations, Pelican park in Eugene Oregon, and Lee Dundas' Dundas Raceway in Wilsonville Oregon. A box stock type class, for cars with Parma Womp type chassis was spec'd for the series. The biggest news of this series was the announcement of cash prizes! Cash prizes in the form of gift certificates at Eugene Toy and Hobby totaling $600, were awarded for series point finish positions first through tenth. Included in the NASTE Library are the OSSM Newsletters Doug published and distributed at his own expense to all the participating racing and local slot car enthusists.
4,636 March 1, 2014 12:42 pm
Re: True Scale GT1 (5 replies, posted in Electron Raceway)
Hey Rich, Couldn't help noticing that engine in the background. You got a sandrail?
4,637 March 1, 2014 12:15 pm
Re: Electron Raceway History (3 replies, posted in Electron Raceway)
Hi Rich, I had a couple opportunities to race on your track some years back. Your track is beautifully constructed and I found the layout challenging and fun! Hopefully now that I'm retired I'll be able to get back down to Roseburg for some more racing! Thanks for posting here on our NASTE site! -------------Bill
4,638 February 28, 2014 9:24 am
Re: NASTE Odd Thursday Night Racing Winner's List (93 replies, posted in NASTE)
List updated from Feb. 27, '14 race.
4,639 February 28, 2014 9:19 am
Re: NASTE Odd Thursday Night Racing Rules & Current Thread (2,172 replies, posted in NASTE)
Thanks Rico, me too!
It was a fun night!We had nine entries in both classes, and Glenn Heath stopped by to visit. It was great to see Glenn and have a chance to talk with him. We started the night of racing with the Classic Sports Car Class. Greg Petrolati (Grrenman) raced to the win with his beautiful scratchbuilt Scarab. I think he may be getting a traction advantage from the drool I leave on the track everytime he brings that thing out! The racing was very close, only three laps separated first from sixth. Second up was the GT class and the racing was just as close, well except for Rico kicking our butts by two and a half laps with his Slot.It Ferrari F40! Behind Rico's dust there were only five laps between second and eigth. After the Classic Sports Car and GT Class races the 1/24 BRM Porsches hit the track. We now have five racers with the fine BRM cars, three of which were still around after the 1/32 races were over. Chris Kouba has generously provided TooBad Motorplex with enough BRM Porsche to enable us to run an IROC race for the BRM cars at the tail end of the evening's activities. Last night ended up just being a test session with the BRMs, and some fun racing. It still amazes me how well these BRM cars perform on the TooBad track, and how much FUN they are! So, the 1/24 BRM Porsche Class will officially be on the menu at the next Odd Thursday Night Race. For the racers that do not have one of these cars (yet - we hope) there will be loaner cars available! These cars are just a BLAST to race, so plan on sticking around next race!
The race results:
Classic Sports Car Class:
1st Greg Petrolati 47.3 laps
2nd Gary Goose Gossett 46.8
3rd Rico Locati 46.4
4th Tracy Flood 45.6
5th Bill Bostic 45.3
6th Bryan Dickerson 44.1
7th Monte Saager 40.6
8th Tie Jimmy Jones 39.4
8th Tie Mitch Brooks 39.4
GT Class:
1st Rico Locati 55.0 laps
2nd Tie Tracy Flood 52.7
2nd Tie Bill Bostic 52.7
4th Gary Goose Gossett 52.2
5th Jimmy Jones 50.448
6th Greg Petrolati 50.1
7th Mitch Brooks 47.8
8th Bryan Dickerson 47.7
9th Monte Saager 46.2
1/24 BRM Porsche 962:
1st EVERYBODY!!!
4,640 February 27, 2014 3:18 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
No worries Dorothy, questions are good!
Wadda ya mean, you won't beat anyone??? Are you sandbaggin' ????
4,641 February 27, 2014 9:27 am
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
The way Dorothy is improving, she might just beat us all at Hammer Time also!!!!
4,642 February 26, 2014 10:16 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
I'm with you Terry, simple is BEST! Our group is all about avoiding frustration!!!
.......................P.S............you don't need any practice!!!!
4,643 February 26, 2014 7:26 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
I agree we don't need a rule to determine if someone should be racing in the expert division. Although during the meeting in August it was felt we did need a rule. That's where the rule came from. It was not my idea, but a group consensus (of those that took an active part in the discussion, which there were few). However that being said, I also know that sometime, someone will push the limit, sandbag, or whatever to take advantage of winning in the amatuer ranks. There are people who are possessed when it comes to the desire or need to win! I think requiring racers to move up to expert if they win the NASTE Challenge Championship for the year is enough.
As far as the format we used at Monte's using the scoring system, I think the heats need to be longer (at least 4 minutes). The break in the middle of the heat needs to be a pause, not a total restart after the break. It should be 1 heat race with a pause in the middle to reslot cars. What we ended up with was two 30 second heats back to back in each lane. As an example of what could and did take place was; I ran my first 30 second segment completing just over 3 laps. The other two racers completed just under 2 laps. My car stopped 1/10th of a lap after the lap counter, the other two cars stopped 8/10th's to 9/10's before the lap counter. Since the race was escentially re-started and the lap counter was reset after the "pause", I started the next segment in last place almost 1 full lap behind. Now I understand the same applies for all racers, but if points are awarded for finish positions the math does not work out. A 30 second segmnent covering 3 laps is not enough time to determine anything as far as driving skill. I understand this type of racing would be frustrating for the amatuer ranks, but it can be just as frustrating for the expert ranks. This type of racing illustrates how good driving skills are just as important as going fast! In a 30 second segment where 3 laps is the maximum, it promotes strategic car placement for the second segment, not racing. In my opinion the heats were not long enough to acturately determine a winner. I'm not whinin', just stating the facts!
4,644 February 25, 2014 10:19 am
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
Thanks for the clarification Smooth. Sounds like you and I are on the same page when it comes to advancing to expert. It should be for the next season, not their current amatuer season. I think everyone will agree with that.
So back to Dorothy's placing in the last race. I see now she was awarded second overall for her score in the amatuer race. However when she advanced to race a second time with the experts she placed third in that race. That would still put her within the expert ranks by the current rules. I think we should take another look at that rule.
I also think that when we run an "experimental" race format we should consider not scoring points for that initial race. In my opinion we should only run proven race formats for official point series races. When I say proven what I mean is; a race format that has been used in prior races, whether it be with the NASTE club or another club on a regular basis. If for instance one of the NASTE tracks decides to run a different format used regularly by another club, the format should be used and scored exactly as the other club does (i.e the format used at Edgewater Raceway in Salem). If a new format, or changes to an existing format are implemented, the format should be tested under race conditions to be sure it is equitable to all. There are plenty of opportunities to try new race formats at races other than NASTE Point Series Championship Races.
Again, these are MY opinions! Any comments? --------------Bill
4,645 February 24, 2014 10:46 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
OK, as to Dorothy's question about other amatuers with scores indicating top 3 finishes. After reviewing the scores for the amatuers; Todd, Russel, Tyler, Victoria, June, Mitch, Perry, and Kira ALL scored their top 3 finishes in team endurance races on the digital track. Those races should not affect their amatuer standings because the finishes were not an individual accomplishment. Thomas scored two of his top 3 finishes in the team enduros. One of Thomas' top 3 finishes (scored as a 2nd place finish overall) was a lap total from an amatuer race at Rico's Atumn Hills track. That lap total gave him first place in that amatuer race, which bumped him into the expert race. He placed 7th in the expert race, however if he could have repeated or equalled the lap total he got in the amatuer race, he would have tied for third in the expert race. However he DIDN'T, and as the rule reads; "Expert Racer - Any person who has placed first, second or third in an expert race with other expert racers".
4,646 February 24, 2014 10:29 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
Good question Dorothy. Using the scores as an indicator would depend on whether you raced with the expert class or not. The digital enduro races were a team event so I don't think those races should affect a racers standing as amatuer or expert. Finishing in the top three in an amatuer race would not force you to move to expert. Only finishing in the top three of a race AGAINST experts would affect your standing. We score the finish positions in order for each division (amatuer & expert) seperately. The points assessed for the Championship are the racer's OVERALL finish position (amatuer & expert together. i.e. you could finish 2nd in amatuer, but be 5th overall). You scored your 19 points in the second race (using the point system + laps completed method of scoring the race) for second place in a race with experts. You BEAT ALL BUT ONE OF THE EXPERTS! .......NICE JOB! Sunday's race was scored using the Full Monte System where you get your best finish in EITHER race (the Full Monte System is essentially 2 individual races on the same race day)...............clear as mud???
So, the interprtation I seek is; are you an expert as of that race (now), or do you finish out this season as an amatuer and start next season as an expert?
I would think you would finish this season out in the amatuer ranks? To me that would be the fair course, because I think you should still be elligible for the NASTE Challenge Championship for 2014.
4,647 February 24, 2014 8:13 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
OK...........
So she was second overall, right?
4,648 February 24, 2014 7:16 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
OK, now I'm confused.........
How were the points awarded for this race?
Typically only overall finish position points are awarded, correct?
4,649 February 24, 2014 5:34 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
Terry, You are much closer than I on the actual rule! Here it is per the meeting 2013 BBQ Meeting at Monte & Victoria's:
"Expert Racer - Any person who has placed first, second or third in an expert race with other expert racers. Expert status is forever. Experts may not move down to race in amateur only races. Any racer can, at any time, self declare as an expert. Such declarations are irrevocable."
I see 19 points added to Dorothy's Point Series total. That would indicate a second place finish in an expert race. Looks like she now has "Expert" driver rating.
So my question would be; does she have to race Expert for the rest of the season?
Or does her "Expert" status start with the beginning of next season?
4,650 February 24, 2014 3:17 pm
Re: NASTE 2014 Season - Race No. 12 (29 replies, posted in NASTE)
No issue on my end as far as the race results......That's racing!