4,126 Reply by wb0s

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This is very interesting stuff guys. I like hearing about the history of the Can Am. Guess some day I should read a book! Heaven forbid!

It looks like from what I've been reading you guys have come to a mutual agreement on two major things regarding the class. 1) There should be two divisions within the class for the older type cars and the newer cars. 2) Pretty much anything goes as to the car specifics. The only problem I see in using lap times as a break out, or to designate the two class divisions would be in the case of "sandbagging". Personally I don't think that would be a problem but who knows. However with that said, if there were enough dispariety between the legal motors for the class (i.e. 18k motors for the earlier cars -vs- say 25k motors for the later cars) the lap times issue would resolve itself, and probably be a moot point. The breakout lap time could be set at a point where a perfect lap would be needed for an early car to break out, and it would be a high enough lap time that it would be easily obtainable by the later cars. Another point in regards to using lap times as a measurement, with the new lap counter/timing system we are using we have median laps times for the entire race. That might be a useful tool should you guys decide to use lap times as some sort of gauge.

I agree the Vanquish cars should be inelligible. I'm good with the Carrera cars in the mix.

===========Bill

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4,127 Reply by wb0s

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From Greenman:

In reality it wasn't that difficult. The car specs followed the FIA Group 7 rules (more or less). As CAN AM progressed what was allowed and what wasn't sort of grew like mold. As we know Porsche just threw money at the "Bruce and Denny" problem until it went away the Porsche pulled out. By then Can Am was on its last legs.

I still think letting lap times determine who runs in what group seems to be a really equitable system. As for Carrera cars running in the group, theyre not that over large... I think it would be a great idea to enlarge the field. The old out of production MG Vanquish CAN AM cars were vastly out of scale... closer to 1/27th and shouldn't be spec.

Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon

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4,128 Reply by wb0s

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From Goose:

I have been doing some reading in my can/am book. 1966 was the first year for "can/am" and it appears 66 & 67 were mostly small block cars. In 67 the big blocks started to show up in more cars, chev & ford engines, some 351 ford upped to 377 were used. So it appears the 2c chap never really raced in can/am, just usrrc. Do we disallow the 2c, or do we include some of the 1964/54 usrrc cars to run with the small block can/am cars? (food for thought?). So i am beginning to wonder if we should run all cars together and have racers declare their car as a "small block" per motor spec or "big block" car per motor spec to determine lap times & lap quantities for each of the two classes. This would be like the way we run our f-1 races with different class cars. Would this be a simpler way to run this class and help Bill keep track of scoring two classes? Please feel free to correct me on the above can/am info above if i am in error. We should be able to create a list of which years & car type had which engines used for racers to determine class to race in(?). Getting kind of complicated, or is it just me!

Goose

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4,129 Reply by wb0s

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I think we all probably have something that would fit either class or division of a vintage Can Am class!

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4,130 Reply by wb0s

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From Goose:

I am thinking in terms of when the cars went from small block cars to the Big block cars in terms higher performance & handling. A small block car class would have a specific years of cars with a max motor spec, a big block class would have it's specific years of cars with a max motor spec. The times and laps would be separate from the two classes regardless of lap times and total laps run. Scoring would be for "each class only" and not in competition with each other. A racer could run just one class, or if allowed run both classes with different cars. That way we do not have to worry about break out times, and bumping people up in class if they do not want change classes.

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4,131 Reply by wb0s

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I hear ya' !!!!....I have that ability or affliction, whichever way you see it!!!

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4,132 Reply by wb0s

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I like the "break out" as a designation for classes. The older cars could have a minimum break out lap time for example of say 9.0 seconds, and anything faster could or would be the newer cars? That keeps it pretty simple and opens things up a lot! We could rub both divisions together with anyone running faster than the break out in the upper division?

==========Bill

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4,133 Reply by wb0s

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From Greenman:

As to the break out point between the low (economy) end and the high end of the series historically it was the end of the tube framed cars which didn't necessarily mark their disappearance, rather it marked their gradual march to the back of the grid as newer, more competitive cars moved up. For our purposes I maybe "what's under the hood" could determine where the car is placed. For instance the MRRC Chaparral shouldn't be classed with the Slotit Chappie. They're not engineered similarly they don't perform similarly... ergo different class. OTOH, we could go with performance, or lap times. If "RTR" car X has a faster time than Y "scratch built" cars we could select a break out time with the faster cars classed higher than the slower cars.

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4,134 Reply by wb0s

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I like the idea of limiting the class to two divisions, older cars and newer.  I'm not a big fan of allowing magnetic traction on either class, but I'll go with whatever you guys decide. I think the scratchbuilt could run against the RTR type cars. That seems to work well with the other classes we race. I'm leaving this class up to you guys for the most part. You guys will be the sponsors, just as the Trans Am class is Glenn's, the BRM class is Chris', and the F1 class is Monte's. I think this class might be a good replacement for our current GT class. It will be better structured than our current GT class.

==============Bill

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4,135 Reply by wb0s

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From Goose:

The two class suggestion sounds good. Questions; What is the break in years between the two classes? Do we have enough model variety available to use in each of the two classes,without everyone using the same style car? Even if we use the 20k (i like) motor rule, this does not allow a box stock mrrc 21,500k motor car to run. I still ask do we allow the larger size Carrera cars? In the second class the use of 25k motor is fine with me, but i am not in favor of magnet use, will this cause some people to tear up cars from spin outs-could be costly?

My suggestions on the rules was to allow a low cost entry "Vintage" car. And to allow "modified" more costly cars in the other classes. Each class scored separately like f-1 class. I wanted to keep from having a run-away class by mod cars over rtr style (cost effect) class cars, which you're 2 class does address. Also i wanted to allow the use of any of the body styles in any of the 3 classes to keep some variety, similar to the way we run our f-1 classes with different year/style cars running at same time. good idea's Greg.
More thoughts/suggestions please. Bill, remember you are the referee here.

Goose

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4,136 Reply by wb0s

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From Greenman:

Keeping in mind how Can Am worked historically it was a sports racer out growth of the USSRC racing series. Early cars were tube-framed, which later gave way to monocoque racers. The rules were basically "no rules" whatever you could do to go faster was okay... later it was a bit more structured. This included cars with moving wings (chaparral) vacuum traction assist (chaparral again), moving bodies, multiple engines in short... whatever. What really killed the series was the money chase and timing. On one hand, Porsche just out spent everyone else and ran the little guys out of the series. Add to that, the early 70s oil shock and didn't help either. Ironically the last Can Am Championship was won by the UOP Shadow a titanium monocoque car driven by George Follmer.

Might I suggest two classes? Early cars with an under 20k motor, configuration gearing, etc open. For to reflect the tube frame cars. And a later car series with a 25k motor limit and one (gag) magnet? This would represent the later cars that showed the progress learning about aerodynamics really worked that took place over the years. Both series should allow alloy wheels and scratch building, thought I feel Slotit McLarens may dominate the late cars as the Slotit Chaparral may dominate the early cars. How do you guy feel about it?

Greg

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4,137 Reply by wb0s

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Submitted for Goose:

I also would like to see this class. What years are we considering 1964-1974? How about we trade/rotate group c class with can/am?
I would like to see a max motor rpm of 19,500/19,800, these motors are cheap to replace. "No sponge tires allowed". Do we allow the larger size Carrera cars? I do see a problem with mrrc chap 2c ff-050 21,000 rpm motor, the fly f-1 used a ff-050 @ 19,500 rpm, but i do not know it it is available. I see several classes required-see below.

"Vintage" class; start with a out of the box rtr car, (fly, slot-it, other?) see motor rule, replace rear tires (only). "Following allowed for all classes"; allow removing material from bottom of interior-do not cut thru, lowering of body at mounting posts, no fender opening/lower sills cutting (inside fender clearance allowed). Weight allowed.

"Vintage Mod"(ified) class; see motor rule, use plastic or resin body, with plastic or resin chassis (some resin kits come with chassis), ok to use set screw wheels.
mrrc chap 2c body to be eligible for this class. Weight allowed.

"Vintage Pro" class; see motor rule, use plastic or resin body, with plastic or "brass" scratch built or purchased chassis, ok to use set screw wheels.
mrrc chap 2c body to be eligible for this class. Weight allowed.

Goose

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4,138 Reply by wb0s

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There has been a proposal and some discussion about starting a new class for Odd Thursday Night racing. A Vintage Can Am class has been suggested and there seems to be quite a few racers in favor. I'm fine with any new classes Odd Thursday racers would be interested in adding to our roster. I would suggest we temporarily replace one of the classes we are currently racing with the new class, or we could go to a three race rotation instead of the current two race rotation. Currently we rotate the 1:32 classes every other race.

The only other thing I would request would be a set of rules to post for the class. I am open to any and all suggestions!

Thanks!   ===========Bill

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4,139 Reply by wb0s

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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!! I have THAT A1 GP.......from Randy's!!!!

I assume the YELLOW Buick is for Monte's benefit???

.................it seems to me you're FLAT OUT on EVERY track!!!!

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4,140 Topic by wb0s

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NASTE will be adding races to the normal NASTE IROC series races at tracks that support magnetic traction racing in 1:32 scale. These races are designed to support and cultivate the Trans Am Class already established by Bob. These NASTE races will be referred to as the NASTE Trans Am Cup. Points will be tallied and recorded for each race in regards to racer’s finish position with a NASTE Trans Am Cup winner crowned at the end of the season.

After the conclusion of the normal NASTE IROC races, one race for the Scalextric Trans Am Class cars will be held. This race will consist of one round of racing, and is open to any racer that wishes to compete. There will be no divisions within the class in regards to the racers level of skill or ability. This will not be an IROC race, but there may be loaner cars available. Cars compliant with the rules for the NASTE Trans Am Cup will be referred to as NAK-Spec cars.

NASTE Trans Am Cup – NAK-Spec Rules:
Cars must comply with The Gorge Trans Am Challenge Rules as follows; 1966-1972 Trans Am cars by Scalextric only. All cars will be out of the box stock. No modifications other than changing the pick up braid. No adding of weight allowed.

In addition for the NAK-Spec cars, Paul Gage urethane tires are allowed for use on the stock rear wheels.

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4,141 Reply by wb0s

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In this past year Bob Nakamura introduced us to a new class of racing at The Gorge Raceway.  For those unaware, Bob held a race for Scalextric Trans Am cars in stock configuration.  The rules were quite simple, only allowing a change of the guide shoe braid. The race was a huge success, and this class of cars proved to be a lot of fun to race.

With that in mind NASTE will be adding races to the normal NASTE IROC series races at tracks that support magnetic traction racing in 1:32 scale. These races are designed to support and cultivate the Trans Am Class already established by Bob. In addition it will give those racers that choose to compete in Bob’s Trans Am races a chance to compete more often and get more use out of their cars. These NASTE races will be referred to as the NASTE Trans Am Cup. Points will be tallied and recorded for each race in regards to racer’s finish position with a NASTE Trans Am Cup winner crowned at the end of the season.

At the NASTE races hosted by Autumn Hills, Penguin Point, TooBad Motorplex, and of course The Gorge Raceway, after the conclusion of the normal NASTE IROC races, one race for the Scalextric Trans Am Class cars will be held. This race will consist of one round of racing, and is open to any racer that wishes to compete. There will be no divisions within the class in regards to the racers level of skill or ability. This will not be an IROC race, but there may be loaner cars available. Again this race is designed primarily to give racers that have cars to compete in Bob Nakamura’s Scalextric Trans Am races more opportunities to race their cars. Please do not assume there will be loaner cars available at each race, or for all racers.

One last note regarding the rules; Bob set this class up with just the one modification allowed regarding braid replacement. In addition to that change, cars for the NASTE Trans Am Cup are allowed to use Paul Gage urethane rear tires. The tires must be mounted to the stock rear wheels only. Cars legal for the NASTE Trans Am Cup races will be referred to as NAK-Spec.
There you have it. Even MORE fun for the NASTE 2016 racing season!

==============Bill

The Gorge Trans Am Challenge Rules:
1966-1972 Trans Am cars by Scalextric only. All cars will be out of the box stock. No modifications other than changing the pick up braid. No adding of weight allowed.

NASTE Trans Am Cup – NAK-Spec Rules:
Cars must comply with The Gorge Trans Am Challenge Rules. In addition, Paul Gage urethane tires are allowed for use on the stock rear wheels.

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4,142 Reply by wb0s

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Below are the proposed dates for the NASTE 2016 racing season. There are 8 Sunday races and 2 Saturday races listed. The two Saturday races have been reserved for The Gorge Raceway. Track owners, I will be sending out an email requesting your choices of dates if you are planning to host a race or races. Please list your race date preference in order of priority. Race dates will be asigned on a first come first serve basis based on your priorities. All listed race dates are Sundays unless otherwise specified. All dates are proposed and adjustments can be made if and as needed.

Race Dates: September 20, 2015 - WFO
                   October 18, 2015 - Penguin Point
                   October 30, 2015 - Halloween Race @ Rapid Raceway
                   November 8, 2015 - TooBad Motorplex
                   December 19, 2015 - Saturday - The Gorge
                   January 17, 2016 - Jacquelin Park
                   February 21, 2016
                   March 19, 2016 - Saturday - The Gorge
                   April 17, 2016- Autumn Hills
                   May 22, 2016 - Hammertime
                   June 12, 2016 - Shoot Out @ Rapid Raceway

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4,143 Reply by wb0s

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I hear ya!!!

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4,144 Reply by wb0s

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Mitch, did you buy that Strombecker set?

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4,145 Reply by wb0s

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They probably heard of Larry!!!

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4,146 Reply by wb0s

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Cool video Rico...........but where's Cockerham????????

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4,147 Reply by wb0s

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Huh????

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4,148 Reply by wb0s

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Lucky for me!!!!

Also saw a Strombecker set in the box with Ford GT40 and Chaparral 2D cars for $50, an Aurora Thunderjet 500 4 lane set with blue XKE, white Corvette, red Thunderbird, and yellow Maserati cars for $125, and a few T-Jet HO cars here and there in the $40 range. Also saw a T-Jet Batmobile with the box for $275. I felt the cars I saw were priced too high, but the two sets seemed about right.

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4,149 Reply by wb0s

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You guys are most welcome!  I'm glad we are getting good use out of the track, and it's great to be able to race and have fun with so many good people! This month completes our third straight year of Odd Thursday Racing at TooBad Motorplex! I'm looking forward to much more!!!!

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4,150 Topic by wb0s

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Diane and I went to the Antique & Collectible Show at the Expo Center today. Saw a few slot cars and track sets. I only picked up on the best deal I found. I got this little box of stuff for $20.
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9843.jpg

Best of it all was this Aurora 1/32 Mercury Comet. It is missing the windows and rear bumper assembly, but the body is uncut and as close to perfect as you can get.
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9845.jpg

And the other half of the best is this Aurora 1/32 Corvair. It is missing one headlight and the rear bumper assembly, but this body is also uncut and nearly perfect.
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9844.jpg

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