Odd Thursday Night - New Class Discussion March 2016 (Page 3 of 5)

Ferrari 512's, Chevron B19/21, Porsche 908, Lola T-70 and quite a few others that take the same tire.

250GTO, 250LM, 917, and 512 tires would be helpful as well.  I can't seem to find anything which fits that rim.  While you're at it, a T-70 tire maybe too.

Depending on how the Scaley's run- some 300SL/SLR, D- and C-Type...  If people have them.

I did locate a few more of my Scaley GT40's and couldn't get them to run within half a second of the Fly's.  I would be curious to try their 250GTO and see if it gets better results.  The 512's and 917's I have seem to run pretty well too, but I don't seem to have truly effective tires for that wheel configuration/

Also- Bill: The Slot.It F1 tires seem to fit the Fly GT40's very well.  Seeing as they fit and I am familiar with the compound, I'd recommend starting with the 917 or 512.  They don't fit on those wheels.

I am disinclined to run the Scaley GT40, unless mine are just that old and the newer ones run much better...  The Fly's run rings around them- at least on my track.

I have 917's and 908's to tune up and intend on doing so!  There will be more than the two F brands.

I am going to breathe a little life back into this thread.  The current rules package proposal:

Except for the following allowances, car should be box stock.  Specifically this means-

• Stock motor

• Stock wheel wells (may not be altered)

The allowances-

• Traction magnet must be removed

• Any rubber/urethane tires may be used

• Tires may be glued and trued on the wheels

• Guide and braid are free to replace/modify

• Guide may be shimmed to appropriate depth for track

• Grinding to fit (lead, brass, etc...) weight in is acceptable.  Grinding to remove weight is not.

• Front stub axles may be replaced with a single, solid axle holding the stock front wheels

• Swapping gears is allowed provided it is for the identical stock ratio (pitch may be different)

• It is permitted to glue bearings into the chassis

• It is permitted to glue the motor into the chassis

• It is permitted to apply glue inside bearings to eliminate slop of oversize bearings

• Chassis may be filed along its perimeter for float, but do not remove more than 1/16" of material.

• Valances and other bodywork may be separated from the chassis and attached to the body provided it maintains the original profiles, features, proportions, and contours of the model.

• BNOVA and similar guide repair components are acceptable for repairing existing cars but not as a tuning option

• If it's not mentioned, you can't do it.

The class would be broken into two categories- front vs rear motored (inline counts as REAR motored; front motor has a driveshaft between the motor output and the pinion).  Any Le Mans competitors modeled by Scalextric or Fly which ran in the 1971 event or prior are eligible for competition.

Regarding wheel/axle replacements, I am inclined to allow it based on knowing that we will inevitably break them.  The stipulation is that the original wheel needs to be used to create inserts (or accurate replacements from other sources used) and the replacement wheel(s) and tire(s) need to be the same dimensions.  The objective is to retain the appropriate look for the car in period.

Philosophically, I think it's ok to have this class drift to a tuner class instead of RTR.  I fear if we don't allow the tuning options, there may be a dominant chassis but more specifically, I think we'll all get a little frustrated at running ill-handling cars at slow speeds.  I want there to be options on the table for improving the drivability while remaining a slow and pretty class, which should be guaranteed by sticking with the stock motor/chassis.  The wheels/gears/axles/tires options make enjoying the cars a possibility.

Thoughts?

CK

Well, yes...  They are Fly's after all.

The motor in my front motored Scalextric Vette went south already and I replaced it with an H&R Hawk motor, it no longer qualifies, but it sure runs smoother. My Fly Porsche 906 on the other hand runs very well in it's original stock condition. I'm quite happy with it. I have to force myself to leave it on the shelf so I don't wear it out before I need it.

Currently still up for discussion.  I am hoping we get to a consensus shortly but I am leaning toward permitting it.

I am in agreement with Stan. Fly cars can be pretty disappointing without a rear axle and gear changes. From my experience racing these at Monte's a few years back, they don't make very good "box stock" racers. I think allowing rear axle and gear changes will put all the different makes on more equal ground.

Having actually now read the entire thread (instead of just the last few posts) I realize that the idea was to have a class that was as much "box stock" as possible. I can vouch for the Flys being a fun class box stock, as that was the way we ran them in my old SoCal club. I would say, however, that replacing the front stubs with a solid axle would really help, putting good (as opposed to Fly stock) tires on the rear, and allowing weight makes a big difference in handling. I could live with just those mods. I have a bunch of Fly cars that would qualify, since that was what we ran in SoCal, including 512s, 908s, a 906, a T70.

I just made a (really bad) conversion of my Scaley P330 to Slot-It motor pod, axle and gears, and GT40 chassis. It could use some better tires on the rear, but otherwise runs nicely. I'm assuming it's legal for the other "classic" class.

with the slot it axile stock gearing and tire size would have to stay the same.inserts installed, stock motor and chassie.  I dont want to dump a ton of cash into then either.maybe down the road we can run the same carss but up grade the 3d chassi and hotter motors ect. but for now keep them close to stock as we can.

I will be reluctant to spec a motor other than the stock black stripe.  If they prove unreliable, then we can talk about it but if we're going to change gears, tires, wheels, etc... how much of the car will still be Fly?  I think motor should stay for now.

That said, I am not sure where the intent of a RTR class came from.  Knowing Fly "quality", I think the only way the group I race with (yeah, YOU guys) would be happy with them is to be able to do some tuning and use a handful of quality replacement parts.

As far as 3d printed chassis, I can rule that out for now and always.  Those are for the "Classics 2" category.  I don't see that being in the spirit of this class.

As far as wheels, I will phrase it in this manner: does anyone object to having the option to replace your rear axle assembly with gears of an identical ratio and metal wheels and tires of appropriate size and aspect ratio (regardless of vendor)?

I know there are other quality wheel vendors out there (BWA, SCC, CB) and while the Slot.It kits are very easy, some of the wider tired cars will need wider than stock Slot.It wheels to maintain their appearance.  I want that option on the table.