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Thanks guys, I enjoy building stuff like that, I am looking for a single mill file I can cut a section out of and mount to a block to fit in the recess for the BRM stock tires....they can get weird when you sand them- I think I overheated and ruined mine- and per Chris's excellent help the file just works best...I am looking for a better rheostat so the voltage adjustment will be more linear- that was one I had laying around and works ok with the smaller 1/32 motors but those big ole snortin 50 year old 36d's draw so many amps it kinda turns into an on or off switch! All you guys have been generous with your time and advice to help me so am happy to give back !

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Hey JM: I bought my bastard file at ACE hardware, they had three different lengths to choose from.

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REMINDER:

TooBad Motorplex will be open for racing tomorrow night, Odd Thursday June 25th !!!!

===========Bill

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Thanks Bill for a fun night of hot and heavy racing.

Rico

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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Agreed, it was great fun while I lasted.

"Big Smooth"

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Bill: Thank you for having the race night.  The air might have been warm, but the racing was hotter-it was a great night of racing and food and laughs.

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It was great to have the track up and running last night, to see my friends, and to trade a little paint! Which there was quite a bit of paint trading last night! It was a very warm evening but the racing excitement seemed to keep everyone engaged (that and the FAN!).

Trans Am Results:
1st Goose Gossett 54.3 laps - Fastest Lap of the Race 9.580
2nd Greg Petrolati 53.9 - 9.688 fastest lap
3rd  Bill Bostic 52.1 - 9.769
4th Rico Locati 51.9 - 9.684
5th  Monte Saager 51.7 - 9.987
6th  Chris Kouba 51.1 - 10.059
7th  Mitch Brooks 51.0 - 9.855
8th  Amy Fields 48.8 - 9.730
9th  John Morse 46.1 - 10.120
10th Al Christensen 45.3 - 10.492
DQ - 1st Jeff Fields 54.9 - 9.102 (trac mag car set up for Sat's race at The Gorge)

GT Class Results:
1st Bill Bostic 60.4 laps - Fastest Lap of the Race 8.460
2nd Monte Saager 58.2 - 8.785 fastest lap
3rd Gary Gossett 55.5 - 8.738
4th Rico Locati 55.4 - 9.008
5th Jeff Fields 53.7 - 8.631
6th Chris Kouba 53.1 - 8.541
7th Greg Petrolati 53.0 - 9.389
8th Amy Fields 52.1 - 9.170
9th Mitch Brooks 51.8 - 9.625
10th Al Christensen 47.7 - 10.189
11th John Morse 46.6 - 9.642

Over 50 Class Results:
1st Goose Gossett 52.0 laps - Fastest Lap of the Race 9.398
2nd Al Christensen 51.8 - 9.576
3rd Monte Saager 51.2 - 9.882
4th Rico Locati 50.7 - 9.617
5th John Morse 49.4 - 9.922
6th Chris Kouba 48.4 - 9.775
7th Bill Bostic 47.9 - 9.518
8th Greg Petrolati 46.0 - 9.742
9th Mitch Brooks 45.6 - 10.351

BRM Porshe 962 Results:
1st Chris Kouba 60.8 -  8.446 fastest lap
2nd Goose Gossett 60.4 - 8.509
3rd Rico Locati 59.6 - 8.479
4th Bill Bostic 55.8 - 8.359 Fastest Lap of the Race
5th Jeff Fields 54.4 - 8.885
6th Al Christensen 54.2 - 9.167
7th Greg Petrolati 52.4 - 8.713
8th John Morse 51.1 - 9.396
9th Amy Fields 48.4 - 9.866
10th Mitch Brooks 47.4 - 9.828

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Here's some cars Beau Frazier built for our Over 50 Class:

Beau built this vacume formed bodied Grand Sport Corvette using an AMT brass chassis.

http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9805.jpg

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Very nice wheel detail!

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Beau's Can Am Plymouth Hemi Special for the NASTE Odd Thursday Night Over 50 Class:

http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9809.jpg

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Thanks to everyone that came out to race last night! We saw so really good close racing! I'll get the results posted later today.

=========Bill

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Well thanks for having us, I had a quite enjoyable time crashing.

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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The racing was very close last night as the lap totals show in the results. There were many good close on track battles in all of the classes! Here are the results from last night's racing - July 9th.

Gary "Goose" Gossett was first in the Classic Sports Car Class with his Ninco Corvette.
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9835.jpg

Classic Sports Car:
1st Goose Gossett  50.5 laps
2nd Rico Locati 50.1
3rd Greg Petrolati 49.4
4th Monte Saager 48.8
5th Dennis Hart 47.3
6th Chris Kouba 46.8
7th Al Christensen 46.6
8th Mitch Brooks 46.4
9th Gary "Howie" Howard 45.9
10th John Morse 45.7
11th Jimmy Jones 45.3
12th Beau Frazier 36.5
13th Cash 34.5

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July 9th results -

The Goose also drove to the overall win in the F1 Class with his Scalextric Eagle.
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9836.jpg

F1 results:
1st Goose Gossett 54.6 laps - First Overall + First in SVD.
2nd Rico Locati 51.1
3rd Monte Saager 49.1
4th Greg Petrolati 48.3 + First in SND
5th Bill Bostic 47.6
6th Dennis Hart 46.9 + First in SHD
7th Mitch Brooks 46.2
8th Beau Frazier 45.3
9th Cash 44.1 + First in MD
10th Howie Howard 44.0
11th Jimmy Jones 43.8
12th John Morse 43.3
13th Al Christensen 39.9

Cash, in his first Odd Thursday Night race at TooBad Motorplex was first in the F1 Modern Division (MD).
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9837.jpg

Dennis Hart finished first in the Scalextric Historic Division (SHD).
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9838.jpg

Greg Petrolati was first in the Scratchbuilt Narrow Division (SND)
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9839.jpg

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July 9th race results-

Chris Kouba finished first in the Over 50 Class with his Cox Ford GT40 Roadster.
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9840.jpg

Over 50 Class results:
1st Chris Kouba 54.0 laps
2nd Rico Locati 53.1
3rd Goose Gossett 51.4
4th Beau Frazier 51.3
5th Al Christensen 50.8
6th John Morse 47.0
7th Bill Bostic 45.5
8th Mitch Brooks 45.3
9th Howie Howard 45.2

Chris' winning Cox Ford GT40 Roadster "Custom"......
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9841.jpg

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July 9th race results -

In the very closely contested BRM Porsche 962 Class it was Chris Kouba posting the win.
http://www.naste.org/members/bill/IMG_9842.jpg

BRM Porsche 962 results:
1st Chris kouba 58.8 laps
2nd Goose Gossett 58.5
3rd Rico Locati 58.2
4th Bill Bostic 57.5
5th Al Christensen 54.7
6th John Morse 51.7
7th Mitch Brooks 48.9

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Bill,

Thanks to you and everyone who showed up for another evening of awesome racing!  It was extremely competitive yet still casual and enjoyable- specifically going side by side with Goose in back-to-back Over 50 heats.  You've done a fine job striking a balance for Odd Thursdays, and it seemed like everyone else was having just as good a time as I was.  I know I've missed a number of racing evenings lately but it was one of the best nights of racing I've had in quite some time.

THANKS!!!

Chris

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Yes it was. Thanks Bill for hosting and everyone else for the racing.

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You guys are most welcome!  I'm glad we are getting good use out of the track, and it's great to be able to race and have fun with so many good people! This month completes our third straight year of Odd Thursday Racing at TooBad Motorplex! I'm looking forward to much more!!!!

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There has been a proposal and some discussion about starting a new class for Odd Thursday Night racing. A Vintage Can Am class has been suggested and there seems to be quite a few racers in favor. I'm fine with any new classes Odd Thursday racers would be interested in adding to our roster. I would suggest we temporarily replace one of the classes we are currently racing with the new class, or we could go to a three race rotation instead of the current two race rotation. Currently we rotate the 1:32 classes every other race.

The only other thing I would request would be a set of rules to post for the class. I am open to any and all suggestions!

Thanks!   ===========Bill

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Submitted for Goose:

I also would like to see this class. What years are we considering 1964-1974? How about we trade/rotate group c class with can/am?
I would like to see a max motor rpm of 19,500/19,800, these motors are cheap to replace. "No sponge tires allowed". Do we allow the larger size Carrera cars? I do see a problem with mrrc chap 2c ff-050 21,000 rpm motor, the fly f-1 used a ff-050 @ 19,500 rpm, but i do not know it it is available. I see several classes required-see below.

"Vintage" class; start with a out of the box rtr car, (fly, slot-it, other?) see motor rule, replace rear tires (only). "Following allowed for all classes"; allow removing material from bottom of interior-do not cut thru, lowering of body at mounting posts, no fender opening/lower sills cutting (inside fender clearance allowed). Weight allowed.

"Vintage Mod"(ified) class; see motor rule, use plastic or resin body, with plastic or resin chassis (some resin kits come with chassis), ok to use set screw wheels.
mrrc chap 2c body to be eligible for this class. Weight allowed.

"Vintage Pro" class; see motor rule, use plastic or resin body, with plastic or "brass" scratch built or purchased chassis, ok to use set screw wheels.
mrrc chap 2c body to be eligible for this class. Weight allowed.

Goose

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Can Am had no rules, that's what made it so cool and also what killed it.

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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From Greenman:

Keeping in mind how Can Am worked historically it was a sports racer out growth of the USSRC racing series. Early cars were tube-framed, which later gave way to monocoque racers. The rules were basically "no rules" whatever you could do to go faster was okay... later it was a bit more structured. This included cars with moving wings (chaparral) vacuum traction assist (chaparral again), moving bodies, multiple engines in short... whatever. What really killed the series was the money chase and timing. On one hand, Porsche just out spent everyone else and ran the little guys out of the series. Add to that, the early 70s oil shock and didn't help either. Ironically the last Can Am Championship was won by the UOP Shadow a titanium monocoque car driven by George Follmer.

Might I suggest two classes? Early cars with an under 20k motor, configuration gearing, etc open. For to reflect the tube frame cars. And a later car series with a 25k motor limit and one (gag) magnet? This would represent the later cars that showed the progress learning about aerodynamics really worked that took place over the years. Both series should allow alloy wheels and scratch building, thought I feel Slotit McLarens may dominate the late cars as the Slotit Chaparral may dominate the early cars. How do you guy feel about it?

Greg

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From Goose:

The two class suggestion sounds good. Questions; What is the break in years between the two classes? Do we have enough model variety available to use in each of the two classes,without everyone using the same style car? Even if we use the 20k (i like) motor rule, this does not allow a box stock mrrc 21,500k motor car to run. I still ask do we allow the larger size Carrera cars? In the second class the use of 25k motor is fine with me, but i am not in favor of magnet use, will this cause some people to tear up cars from spin outs-could be costly?

My suggestions on the rules was to allow a low cost entry "Vintage" car. And to allow "modified" more costly cars in the other classes. Each class scored separately like f-1 class. I wanted to keep from having a run-away class by mod cars over rtr style (cost effect) class cars, which you're 2 class does address. Also i wanted to allow the use of any of the body styles in any of the 3 classes to keep some variety, similar to the way we run our f-1 classes with different year/style cars running at same time. good idea's Greg.
More thoughts/suggestions please. Bill, remember you are the referee here.

Goose

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I like the idea of limiting the class to two divisions, older cars and newer.  I'm not a big fan of allowing magnetic traction on either class, but I'll go with whatever you guys decide. I think the scratchbuilt could run against the RTR type cars. That seems to work well with the other classes we race. I'm leaving this class up to you guys for the most part. You guys will be the sponsors, just as the Trans Am class is Glenn's, the BRM class is Chris', and the F1 class is Monte's. I think this class might be a good replacement for our current GT class. It will be better structured than our current GT class.

==============Bill

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From Greenman:

As to the break out point between the low (economy) end and the high end of the series historically it was the end of the tube framed cars which didn't necessarily mark their disappearance, rather it marked their gradual march to the back of the grid as newer, more competitive cars moved up. For our purposes I maybe "what's under the hood" could determine where the car is placed. For instance the MRRC Chaparral shouldn't be classed with the Slotit Chappie. They're not engineered similarly they don't perform similarly... ergo different class. OTOH, we could go with performance, or lap times. If "RTR" car X has a faster time than Y "scratch built" cars we could select a break out time with the faster cars classed higher than the slower cars.