New Championship Rules for 2016 (Page 2 of 2)

I think what you are saying Bill is very valid. I'm sure no matter what was decided, someone was not going to be happy, but it is YOUR club and you get to make the rules. That's life. Rules are made and changed all the time. Some times they help someone and some times not. We do have a very diverse and good crowd of racers though. It's nice that you're looking at it from all angles and wanting to make as many people happy as you can. Your track is still a viable venue for the championship race if Howie and Bob both decline because of conflicts. After all, someone did point out that you don't win very often on your own track. Thanks for clearing up the point races too. I already knew Halloween didn't count as it's just a for fun race with super funny and or scary cars, but glad to know team races won't be included too. Congrats again on almost 20 years of NASTE!

As for Monte and his comparisons, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!! You made me laugh out loud comparing Amanda to John and AJ. *snicker* A better comparison might have been three people who don't race very much and haven't won on their home track like maybe Diane Bostic, Kelly Locati and Amanda Abbott. Thanks for the laugh though! I'll have to let her know she was compared to two other VERY GOOD racers and even I haven't had that privilege before.

Looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday. Best get back to some goodies. Can't bring all leftovers.

first I want to say  congrats that naste has been around for  19 years... and that when I found them 10 years ago  we raced on two or three tracks.   and now there are several track to race on.
I also like the way naste went a few years back to the iroc format... this is a great way to race..and get people into racing slot cars as  people who might not have the money to get a bunch of slot cars or have room for a track to run on.
there are other clubs and other formats of racing where you can build your own car.   
Plus I think it  makes things pretty equal ... sure there is home track advantage...   I know that after I host a race my track becomes a storage table until about three days before my next race..
after reading through all these posts I had a small aneurysm....
So much to say ...
I don't mind hosting a race and not having my points count toward the points series....  but I still want to race and trade paint..

If you look at all the races that race on a regular basis it seems to me that most everyone seems to finish in close to the same place most of the time and I don't think that will ever change much........ sure there are some off nights for some

so is that why we are breaking it up into three classes?   will we have a points challenge for all three classes with a trophy in each?   is it all about the trophy? is it all about winning?   should we just race everyone together again like we use to?

I really enjoy racing the odd Thursday races and there is not trophy at the end of the season.... but im not sure there is even a season with that......Lol and there is no big prize at the end of it all... we just go and race... have a great time.

I know you cant please everyone but what ever changes  happen with naste I will still be there racing and having a great time.   I want to see naste keep going for another 19 years

Monte, you said "And one other item to consider for fairness...  The track owner wins most of the time.  ALWAYS!"

That's why some people don't want the championship to be held on an HO track! I wouldn't want it to be at ANY track where the owner has an advantage, but to single out the HO track and racers was unfair.

I'd say let the owners race at their events, but not count in the standings. The only time my track gets used is for our races and I'd be pretty sad if I didn't get to race with everybody on my own track. Running at Bill's in reverse would be a great way to decide a championship.

And as for Bill not winning on his own track, if the stakes were important, we'd see a much more competitive driver emerge, because he can drive slot cars as well as anybody here.

I do think bills track in the reverse direction would be fine as well...we only did that once quite a while ago.   that would make it pretty even I think if bobs and howies track are not available..
yes terry you are like me... I race on my track for the naste race and usually a day or two before making sure my cars run...and wheels stay on...Lol   then its a place to store crap.

What would not be fair is to not count points for those who host races.  Why penalize someone who takes the time and effort to host a race? Some people are generous to host multiple races while others host none, so with this logic it would be better point wise to not host let alone doing it more than once.  The new rules will negate the issue to a certain extent in that the expert class are the only ones racing for points so the intermediate and novice classes are not affected by the host performing well.  If there are fewer points races next year as has been indicated, not receiving points at any race will be an even larger penalty. Besides most of the experts are more than capable of winning on any track on a given night.

Ladies and gentlemen: I just read this post, WOW is on my mind. I know for a fact that you will never please everyone.
But I try to please as many as possible.
In the summer which is the off season for Rapid Raceway is when I do my scheduling. If you decide to have the BIG RACE here we can schedule it at that time. I will gladly drink coffee, eat cookies, have a rum ball or two, BS ( the more rum balls, the more BS I do ), run the computer and keep the coffee going and watch the action on the track and basically kick back and not be concerned about competing, in other words, I don't always need to compete to have fun, especially if there is a rum ball or two to be had and a good many racers to BS with.
So the offer is there, if you decide to race elsewhere, that is ok too, just send me a rum ball!!

Here's my last 2 bits on this.......maybe.......
Consider the series as it is now. Many times with even two or three races left, it is obvious who the winner is going to be, and sometimes the outcome is already mathmatically decided. It is also possible for a racer to win the championship without ever winning a single race. With this new system the outcome will not be decided until the final race, and there will be seven top racers with a shot. In the new system a racer WILL have to win at least one race to become champion.  In contrast to NASCAR's system, NASTE's new system will make it easier for more people to stay in the hunt. Also in contrast, racers aren't eliminated by a single race's performance leading up to the final race. Will it be more difficult to win the championship? I would say yes. Your performance at that last race will have to be spot on. But isn't that a characteristic of a true champion?

Monte, Bryan, Terry, Rico, Dorothy, and Howie, thank you all for taking part in this discussion. If nothing else, next season should at least be controversial!

Dorothy your influence on the social aspect of NASTE has resulted in nothing but improvements within the group. We have the best photo records of races that we have ever had, not to mention great movie footage! In the area of refreshments and food NASTE is second to none, and attribute a great deal of that success to you and your influence.

One thing to remember about the final race for next season and the Shoot Out for the Championship. Shoot Out day will be an all day event. There will be races held for ALL NASTE racers, not just the top seven in points. My plan for the Shoot Out Race Day includes; trophy dash races for the Novice Division, Intermediate Division, and the Point Series competitors that did not make the top seven.

As far as apologizing to me for your influence in the club's direction as opposed to my vision, I'm sorry but you can't take total responsibility for that one. I did not mean anything negative by my comment, the direction the club has taken is fine. What I meant was if the club truly was MY club, I am quite sure it would be focussed more seriously on the racing aspect of the club activities versus any social activities. The social aspect of the club is something that makes NASTE truly unique and even more fun. I can't and don't take credit for that, that is something the members have accomplished! And YES, it is a GOOD THING!

Being re'tard and all, I took a few minutes to crunch some numbers using this season's point totals. In regards to whether or not we let track owners finish points count on their own tracks, I am planning to let them count. Based on results taken from this season's totals, if it were the end of the season with their top 5 finishes counting towards their season's point total, Bryan would be in first. In either scenario, Bryan would be first. Without his win on his track he is in first by virtue of most wins in a point tie with Terry. With his win on his track counting, he beats Terry by 5 points, with Terry's win on his track counting. The only significant change in the line up would be Rico moving up to the fourth spot from the seventh spot. The top seven would consist of the same top seven no matter how you talley the points. When you start making rules in regards to who derserves points for a win, where do you draw the line. For example; Monte used to own and he built Autumn Hills. Should Rico's and his points not count if either one wins on that track? Victoria and Dorothy are both co-owners of tracks, are they exempt from winning points? What about car owners? We race on tracks where club members supply the cars. If a club member prepares and furnishes cars for the race should they be exempt from winning points? For example when it comes to racing the NASTE '55 Chevy's, I have far more experience racing them than any other member! What about racers that supply controllers for a race? Should they be exempt from winning points if they had the opportunity to race with their own controller?

Now, I'm not saying there could not be a participant bumped out by a point or two based on a track owner's win on his own track. What I am saying is when it comes to determining who the top seven NASTE racers are, regardless of how you stack the points the odds are very good that the top seven are going to be the top seven! The rules are the same for everyone. In addition, I plan to have a more equal schedule of races when it comes to number of races on tracks. I am planning on 10 races for next season, so any possibility of an advantage by winning on your own track is reduced even further. My feeling is this, anybody that makes the top seven deserves to win the championship. Barring very bad luck, the best racer will win the championship no matter how you stack the challenge!

Below is the list of how the season points totals would look if this were the end of the season, with & without track owner wins:

1st Bryan 100 points win wins on his track  -  94 points without the wins on his track. Number of wins breaks tie with Terry.
2nd Terry  95                                               - 94
3rd Tracy  92                                               -92
4th Rico    90                                                - 82 Rico would be 7th without his win on his track counting.
5th Monte 89 1 win breaks tie with Bill          - 87 Monte would be 5th based on points talleyed either way.
6th Bill      89                                               - 89 Bill would be 4th if track owner wins did not count.
7th Goose 83                                              - 83 Goose would be 6th if track owner wins did not count.

So there you have some real stats, no spread sheet report. I'm open to discussion, but I just don't see where it is really gonna matter one way or another. Personally, I like the challenge of trying to beat a racer on his own track! I say let the track owners points count!

I'm with Mitch.