Bryan is up for some HO racing at his place. What classes or types of cars would racers be interested in racing? Bryan and I were thinking T-Jets and/or Magna-Traction cars. Who's interested in racing HO? ----------Bill
5,627 November 16, 2008 10:44 am
Re: Potential Classes for NASTE Racing (63 replies, posted in Cars)
Larry, I'll look through my stuff and see how many of those types of chassis I have. I'll start working on one for a runner also. What about tires? What should we run for rears? --------------------Bill
5,628 November 16, 2008 10:43 am
Re: Potential Classes for NASTE Racing (63 replies, posted in Cars)
More from Larry:
I only have this one Classic chassis.. Garvic, Monogram, Revell & classic aluminum 36 d sidewinder car isn't what I like to build & collect so I have sold all the one I have ever had. I got this car after you said we might try running them. These cars run like big T-JET's and you can drive a truck under one of them.. They have 1" to 1 1/8 rear tires just so the gear won't hit the track. I think we should just allow the 4 type cars.. I can look up the chassis stock numbers and list them and the cars that came with them in kit or RTR.. The Classic and Gravic only came as RTR, but they did sell just chassis as parts. Now Monogram and Revell sold RTR, Kits and Parts.
I think any stock 36 d motor would be legal as long as it has no ARCO magnets. I would like to do some RD on this Manta ray and see if I can make it work.. As far as adding some weight to the chassis I think I will try some?? Wish I had a track ... If you have one of these cars why don't you play with it and see if you can make it work and let me know. You have a track to test it on.
This might be fun trying to make these cars work good enough so we can race them.. What I remember is that they go like hell wheeling down the straightaway and tip over in the corners. Well let me know what I have to do to post.. Larry
5,629 November 16, 2008 9:11 am
Re: Potential Classes for NASTE Racing (63 replies, posted in Cars)
A follow up message I received from Larry:
The Manta Ray came with a Lotus 30 body also. The trouble with running the old bodies is that they brake so easy. If we could find some of the parma one that would be great. The nice thing about the Nascar bodies is there cheap... I paid $4.99 for the ones I bought off e-bay.. And that was all painted and decaled.. I see them all the time like this.
These cars are wheelie Machines if you remember and they didn't run to bad. To much power and you wheelie out. I think this would be a fun class and a real challage to get them to work half way.. I add a swinging piece of brass onto the swing arm from the front axle like I did on that AMT car you seen. It didn't seem to work on it, but it helped the Classic ASP that I built..
Well see if you can get some people interested in buying some cars.. I'll bet that most of these guys has at least one laying around. I know Terry has some vintage stuff and Brian & Jeff might too. If not there will be a way to find some. E-BAY
Larry
5,630 November 16, 2008 9:09 am
Topic: Potential Classes for NASTE Racing (63 replies, posted in Cars)
I got this email from Larry Cockerham. We were talking about a possible 1/24 vintage class:
This is a Classic Manta Ray that I bought on E-bay and the 4" Nascar body fit perfect on it. You know that Garvic makes that same type chassis & motor set up. I don't know if we could get anyone interested in buying one to race. Do you have one? Hell they made & sold over a million of these Manta Ray's.. So there are a lot of these around..Well let me know what you think bud.. Larry
5,631 November 15, 2008 5:54 pm
Re: NASTE Thursdays (41 replies, posted in NASTE)
Good point! I'd hate to get banned before the starting flag even dropped!!!
5,632 November 15, 2008 8:56 am
Re: NASTE Thursdays (41 replies, posted in NASTE)
Hey Monte, How about some moving targets?????........Didn't you say you had some "strays" around the neighborhood????...............
5,633 November 14, 2008 2:56 pm
Re: NASTE Thursdays (41 replies, posted in NASTE)
Rico, I'll show you my water heater technique!!!! A little flick here, a little squeeze there, and wha-la....we got serious air!!!! ............but, evidently I missed the garage door approach! -----------------------Bill
5,634 November 14, 2008 9:44 am
Topic: NASTE Thursdays (41 replies, posted in NASTE)
Hey Bryan, Thanks for the track time last night! I had a great time! I'm looking forward to more of these NASTE Thursdays! Next one's at Monte's on December 4th. We'll set up a car pool from our side of town. -------------------Bill
5,635 November 10, 2008 6:36 pm
Re: Cape Horn Speedway (7 replies, posted in Track)
We had a great time with you guys up at Cape Horn on the 8th!!! Looking forward to more racing with you guys!!! Maybe we should have an annual FLEXI KILL!!!! What a HOOT!!! -------------Bill
5,636 November 10, 2008 6:34 pm
Re: 1/24 IROC for NASTE races (17 replies, posted in Cars)
Well the NASCAR flexis made it through another race! This time we KILLED one, but there were no other problems. Two of the seven handled like crap, but oh well, they handled like crap for everybody! These things were a lot of fun on the Cape Horn 6 lane track with it's narrow lane spacing!!! -----------------------Bill
5,637 November 9, 2008 8:53 am
Topic: NASTE Race at Cape Horn (2 replies, posted in NASTE)
Man did I have a great time yesterday at Cape Horn! The action was fast on the six lane 1/24 track, and the atmosphere was casual and fun! We only killed one car! Those NASCAR 4 1/2 inch flexis are pretty tough! This was the third race they've made it through. Thanks Rick for a really fun race!........and the pizza and snacks (that nacho cheese dip was most excellent!)!!! ----------------Bill
P.S. Larry, tell Lynette thanks for the cookies! They were delicious (as always!)!!
5,638 November 8, 2008 7:46 am
Re: New 1/24 Track Soon... (10 replies, posted in Track)
We are planning to race the crap out of that track!!!!!! It's a great track!!!! ---------------Bill
5,639 November 8, 2008 7:42 am
Re: Carrera Aston Martin Vanquish (3 replies, posted in Cars)
Thank you carlyse_09! It's great to have your interest! I like to post the projects I'm working on. The only real problem is I've been quite lazy lately and haven't gotten much done!!! ---------------------Bill
5,640 November 7, 2008 8:46 pm
Re: Cars of the 2008 Summer Season (18 replies, posted in BSCC)
You're right about it being tough to do the low dollar mods using only Slot.It parts. To me that was one rule that handi-capped low dollar mods. None of the Slot.It parts are low dollar! But there are alternative parts that could have been used. Two things dampened that line of thought, 1) the rules allowed modifications as approved by the membership. So, you could take a chance with a modification hoping the membership would in turn "allow" it (big chance!). 2) The class series was not long enough to allow a great deal of time to develope modifications. Buying a better/faster bolt-on mod was more effective in the time sensitive aspect.
As far as your R&D skills, they appear to be pretty sharp to me!!! ......and oh by the way, nice job on your pit skills during Howie's OSCAR 962 Enduro!!!!
5,641 November 7, 2008 5:09 pm
Re: Motor sizes and racing classes (5 replies, posted in Cars)
Yes. The wing cars are unbelievable! I wonder how commercial tracks survive in the other areas of the country?
5,642 November 7, 2008 4:14 pm
Re: Motor sizes and racing classes (5 replies, posted in Cars)
You're welcome Rico.
I'm pretty much out of touch as far as "commercial" racing goes. I'm pretty sure Group 12 is still popular because that's what most RTR flexi cars fall under. Other than that I'm not sure what's currently being raced, or where. Wing cars seem to be popular to some degree at most tracks from what I've seen and read. It might just depend on what a particular commercial track's patrons are interested in?
So, anybody out there want to tell us what they race at their local commercial tracks?
5,643 November 7, 2008 2:54 pm
Re: Motor sizes and racing classes (5 replies, posted in Cars)
I'll take a stab here Rico. Years ago the standard of motors used for slot cars was a 36D. They were BIG, like the size of the Radioshack motors NASTE uses. They were replaced by 26Ds which were slightly smaller and more powerful. They are no longer produced. These were also even smaller motors close in size to the current 16D motors. The main difference between 16Ds and the super 16Ds is the supers have balanced armatures. The Falcon, Plafit, Cheetah series motors are even smaller than the 16Ds, but less serviceable. Each of the motor designations have a specific size and wind of wire on their armatures.
Here's some more info taken from:
History of Slot Car Racing....
The Short Story - by John Ford - johnford@slotmail.org
Scale Auto Racing News Magazine - http://www.scaleautoracing.com
Reference credits to: Rocky Russo, the late Jose Rodriguez, Phillippe de Lespinay, Dieter Bollinger.
"Revell and Russkit started improving the Mabuchi 16D, the literal ancestor to the motor in every slot car today; and they started importing the 36D. This was the same motor but much larger. The 16D motor was 16 millimeters high; the 36D was 24 millimeters high. I have no idea where the 36D part came from.The 36D was the weapon of choice on the commercial tracks for the next couple years. It was much cheaper, made similar power, and displaced the railroad motors on the commercial tracks. The smaller 16D was the motor of choice for the 1/24 racers building skinny Formula 1 racers of the period."
"In early 1969, Dynamic, long the standard in Formula III/Group 12 racing came out with a new car. The chassis was stamped out of brass and it was an ANGLE WINDER. This was the car that made "Group Racing" practical. It handled nearly as well as the scratchbuilt. It came with a 16D motor, good magnets, and #30 single wind armature very much like the one found today in the modern day ready to run slot car."
"Mabuchi came out with a new size motor, the 26D that was an attempt to compromise between the torque of the 36D and the speed of the 16D. But so many builders were working on 16D's, that the 26D proved to be a dead end."
"At the same time the manufacturers got together and agreed to limited class racing. The Classes? Group 12, Group 15, Group 20, Group 7 (open). For the first time, a racer could buy an off the shelf car, travel anywhere and be legal.
The classifications were set up like this. A group 12 ready to run car would cost no more than 12 dollars, a group 15 would cost no more than 15 dollars, a group 20 would sell for no more than 20 dollars, and the group 7 was named after the popular
Can-Am Group 7 class in 1 to 1 scale sports car racing. Just like its namesake, it was an "Open" class, meaning that as long as the size restraints were adhered to, there was no restrictions."
5,644 November 7, 2008 7:13 am
Re: HO Slot racing................... (15 replies, posted in Track)
The Thursday night rotation sounds great to me, I'm in! -------------------Bill
5,645 November 3, 2008 3:07 pm
Re: Chassis Building Classes (8 replies, posted in Cars)
Racers, Bob has a "Pit Area" forum on the OSCAR website. I posted a message asking him if he had any updated info regarding chassis building classes. You can keep tabs here: http://oregonmodelracing.com/oscar_foru … 4&t=39 ------------------------Bill
5,646 November 3, 2008 11:06 am
Re: Cars of the 2008 Summer Season (18 replies, posted in BSCC)
So here's my views of the BSCC summer season. The cars were extremely fast! By the end of the season everyone had really fast cars! Yes, the majority of the cars were the Ferrari 312s, but that's to be expected when a class is based on RTR type production cars. When one particular car shows dominate performance, racers will migrate to that particular style of car (if they want to improve their chances winning). The cost of the cars was high. Well no kidding! You're starting out with a car that costs $40 to $50, and the rules allow modifications. Modifications = $ ! When the rules specify only a specific brand of parts for those modifications, modifications = $ X 2 ! The basic rule of thought is; if JOE used part A in his modification and it worked, then I need part A to keep up with JOE. What I did not see was a lot of low dollar modifications and R&D. I did not actively participate in the series. The main thing that turned me off was the destruction of the cars. I have a hard time destroying my $50 cars. The only thing worth anything on these 1/32 cars is the bodies, and for the most part you can't replace a body without purchasing a whole new car (because the chassis are specific to each car, so now after damage it's a $100 car). I think racing cars where replacement bodies are available would be an improvement in a program where damage is inevitable. In the end the fastest guy won the series, and without a lot of extra expense to his car. A lot of expensive cars were broken. And Art looked like the most improved racer to me! Congrats ART!!! -------------------------------Bill
5,647 November 3, 2008 8:30 am
Re: NASTE '08 Halloween Race (5 replies, posted in NASTE)
Oh well Rico, I'm sure you'll have a good time there!..............and there's still more racin' to come! Randy's startin' up again on Tuesday. ------------------Bill
5,648 November 2, 2008 4:40 pm
Re: NASTE '08 Halloween Race (5 replies, posted in NASTE)
It was a lot of fun Rico. But don't fret, ther's still a lot of great racing left this season! There is racing goin' on EVERYWHERE!!!!
5,649 November 2, 2008 10:14 am
Topic: NASTE '08 Halloween Race (5 replies, posted in NASTE)
Jeff & Cathy, Thanks for a great night at your new Hemi Heights Raceway Park! The treats, pizza, and racing were great! The cars and competetors were as scarey as any past Halloween! You are the Halloween King! It's great to have you back on the NASTE circuit! Your track made the move from Carlton without mishap, and you've done an excellent job with it's reconstruction. Looking forward to many more races on your new 1/24 track! -----------------------Bill
5,650 November 2, 2008 10:10 am
Re: New 1/24 Track Soon... (10 replies, posted in Track)
Well it's official, Jeff's Hemi Heights Raceway Park is now OPEN!!!! It seems only fitting the NASTE Halloween Race would be the inaugural event for Jeff's new track. And a great event it was! Thanks Jeff for all your work! Looking forward to many more races at Hemi Heights! -----------------Bill