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After more discussion at Thursday's race it was decided Slot.it cars such as the Ford GT40 would be allowed to compete in the Classic Sports Car Class. However, please remember the RTR or stock Slot.it Ford GT40 will require a motor change to an 18,000 RPM maximum motor, and a maximum rear tire tread width of 7mm to meet the class requirements.
==========Bill
Put me on your assist list Dennis.
========Bill
I received this email from Beau:
"I saw the latest class addition to the Odd Thursday line up. Looks like fun! I found a source for fiberglass bodies in the UK . www.bettaandclassic.com . Under their listing, Classic Bodies, they have several CanAm bodies that would expand the style choices within the years provided in the rules. If you punch up the Home page you'll have several choices one of which is Classic Bodies. These are the fiberglass bodies. Some of them are represented in Poly for some reason. Most are in fiberglass".
If anyone is interested in putting together an order please contact Beau. He said he would wait about a week before placing the order.....Beau
Again in an effort to better track race results and statistics, for the upcoming vintage F1 race this Thursday I will be asking racers to declare what class their F1 entry is competing in. I'm sure this process will be confusing at first and it will take a few races for us to all get a system down. To serve as a quick referrence for which cars fit into what classes I have made a consolidated list below:
Class 5 - F1 – short referrence sheet
Divisions:
Cartrix Classic Division - (CCD)
Scalextric Historic Division - (SHD)
Cooper Climax, Ferrari 375, Ferrari 156 Sharknose, Maserati 250F, Vanwall
Scalextric Vintage Division - (SVD)
Lotus 49, Eagle, McLaren m7c low wing, Brabham BT26/3
*this class has 19 or 20mm dia x 10mm wide rear tires - measured at contact patch.
Early Nostalgic Division - (END) (Scalextric, Fly, Etc. - early '70s cars)
Lotus 72c low rear wing, Tyrell 002 low rear wing
*this class has 22mm dia x 12mm wide rear tires - measured at contact patch.
Mid Nostalgic Division - (MND) (Scalextric, Fly, Etc. - mid '70s cars)
Ferrari 312t2 low wing, McLaren m23 low wing
*this class has 18mm dia x 15.5 wide rear tires - measured at contact patch.
Modern Division - (MD)
Scalextric A1 GP
Scratchbuilt Narrow Division - (SND)
Open to scratchbuilt F1 cars with narrow rear tires
Scratchbuilt Wide Tire Division - (SWD)
Feel free to copy this list and print it out if you'd like.
============Bill
Good observations and questions Mitch. Here's my take on the Slot.it issue in the Classic Sports Car Class. When I started the class my intention was to race the 50s and early 60s sports cars, which in my mind were the cars raced with the old narrow type wheels and tires. The list of car examples in the rules speaks to those types of cars for the most part. During one of the races about a year ago the question of elligibility for the Slot.it Ford GT40 came up. The arguement in its favor was that "street" versions were built, and it does loosely meet the definition of the classic sports car. So I decided the Slot.it Ford GT40s would be legal if the stock wheels and tires were replaced with the proper narrow rear wheels and tires. The big mistake I made was in not addressing the required motor change to an 18K motor to make them compliant with the motor rule. From there it became obvious that the Slot.it Ford GT40s could dominate the class. Rather than continue down that path I feel it is better to remove them from the class. racers who own them can still race them in the GT Class, and they are very competitive there also.
As far as the Racer Cars go, I have not addressed anything there. At least not yet. To date we have not seen very many of those brand of cars entered in races. In the GT Class we excluded both NSRs and Racers in an effort to keep costs down. NSR parts are allowed for scratchbuilt cars, so Racer parts being the same as Slot.it parts would also be allowed on scratchbuilt cars. Where that leaves us in the Classic Sports Car Class I'm not sure. One difference is Racer does make some older classic sports cars which are in line with my original vision for this class. I think the Racer issue will need more discussion.
============Bill
A new class has been added to the cars we race at the Odd Thursday Night races. Class 7 - USRRC /Can Am Class has been added as one of the rotating classes along with Classic Sports Car, GT, Trans Am, and F1. Please check out the rules, any questions should be directed to the class sponsors Gary Goose Gossett and Greg Greenman Petrolati. Time will be allowed for racers to get cars together, so watch the schedule for the date of the first USRRC / Can Am race!
===========Bill
I have entered a revision to the rules for Class 1 - Classic Sports Cars to exclude Slot.it RTR cars which includes the Ford GT40.
The rule revision reads as follows: "Slot.it RTR cars will not be allowed to compete in this class. However, Slot.it chassis motor pods made be used in the construction of scratchbuilt chassis."
I have added Class Sponsors to each of the car classes listed for competition in Odd Thursday Night races. Questions regarding the rules for a particular class should be directed to the class sponsor(s) of that class. Rules interpretations will also be directed to class sponsors.
Lists updated from Aug. 27, '15 race.
Aug.27th - The racing in last night's Odd Thursday race was extremely close! Highlights of the night included a Birthdday Boy celebration for Mitch, and my successful completion of adding a late racer to our computerized racer line up (finally)! In the Trans Am race the difference between first and eleventh was less than 5.5 laps! The same was true for the GT Class race with a spread of less than 3.5 laps between second and tenth! The Goose swept the night scoring two more wins and proving once again, Geese truely do fly! New racer Cash Shepski showed great improvement in his car control skills, increasing his previous race average by 10 laps! We only raced two classes so the racing was over early and the bench racing started around 9:00pm. All in all it was a fun night and I had a great time! Thank you to all that made it out!
Results:
Trans Am:
1st Goose Gossett 53.5 laps
2nd Bill Bostic 52.5
3rd Greg Petrolati 52.4
4th Rico Locati 51.2
5th Dennis Hart 51.1
6th Jeff Fields 50.9
7th Monte Saager 50.6
8th Glenn Heath 50.5
9th Amy Fields 50.3
10th Al Christensen 48.2
11th Mitch Brooks 48.1
12th Bryan Dickerson 46.3
13th Victoria Saager 46.2
14th Cash Shepski 44.2
GT Class:
1st Goose Gossett 58.5
2nd Jeff Fields 56.1
3rd Glenn Heath 55.7
4th Rico Locati 55.3
5th tie Monte Saager 55.0
5th tie Bryan Dickerson 55.0
7th Bill Bostic 53.9
8th Greg Petrolati 53.0
9th Dennis Hart 52.8
10th Amy Fields 52.7
11th Al Christensen 50.5
12th Mitch Brooks 48.4
13th Victoria Saager 44.2
14th Cash Shepski 41.2
Thanks to Mitch and Monte we were able to complete more motor testing yesterday before the race. To date 166 cars have been tested and the data has been recorded. Monte is in the process of compiling all the collected data into a spread sheet. At the end of the days testing, Al MEAT Christensen's KTM powered Over 50 Class Cheetah stood head and shoulders above all other comers! Al's Cheetah destroyed everything earning Al the "KING MEAT" title!!!
Stand by for more.......
I am conducting all my testing at the 10 volt setting we race at. Because I am taking readings off the rear tire the actual motor RPM is not relevant. I am looking for a reading or value that represents the upper limit of a cars performance based on Ft/Min (feet traveled per minute). Our rules specify what motors are legal by the official chart's RPM readings of motors at 12 volts. It does not attempt to specify what actual RPM the motors produce at our race voltage of 10 volts. One can assume the actual motor RPM is less than what is specified on our official chart. For a motor to be considered legal it's stated RPM rating at 12 volts must meet the specifications for the intended class. What RPM it actually makes at 10 volts is irrelevant.
My motor testing has yielded a couple surprises so far. In our Trans Am Class some Scalextric cars are equipped with "Sport" motors from the factory. These motors have a chrome metal sticker on them indicating "SPORT". These motors are not listed on our official motor spec sheet, but they are listed at 25,000 RPM at 12 volts by the factory (I have two new in the boxes). I have also had one stock Scalextric motor in a Trans Am Camaro test out with statistics well above most other cars. In addition I have had one Fly black stripe motor test out well above average also.
More testing to follow. ==========Bill
I've been promoting and holding slot car races for over 35 years now. In that time I've learned that rules are an important part of a successful racing program, and that for the most part, the simpler the rules the better. Here at TooBad Motorplex the written rules ar simple, and even those are loosely enforced. That has resulted in some great racing on odd Thursday nights. However as we develope and refine our cars, and improve our driving skills on the race course, the racing becomes closer. As the racing tightens up the rules become more important as a car's performance becomes more of a factor as skill levels equalize.
At the last race I stated for a car/driver to claim an official win, the car must be compliant to all the rules. What bothers me the most about out of spec car wins is that it skews the race statistics. A lap record is of no value if it cannot possibly be met or broken by a legally prepared car. So that brings us to rule enforcement, and I just totally HATE that! It seems lately the biggest issue with the rules seems to be motors that are above spec, producing more RPM than allowed by the rules.
I am currently conducting some testing using a hand held mechanically driven electronic tachometer. My goal is to come up with a "spec" number to use as a guide to determine if a particular car's motor is within the rules. Where this becomes difficult is in obtaining a measurement from a car without total disassembly and removal of the motor. I addition to RPM, this particular instrument I have measures in FT/MIN. I have found that the FT/MIN reading may be usefull as the reading can be obtained without disassembly of the car, by measuring rear wheel speed. I understand that there are other variables that affect the rear wheel reading such as tire diameter, friction, and gear ratios. From testing I have seen that these variables do not have a great affect on the FT/MIN readings. The RPM readings on the other hand vary much more according to tire diameter and gearing, and the readings also fluctuate more as the car runs. To date I have test data from more than 60 cars of all makes and configurations.
I will continue with the testing and may even try to validate the test results at the next race. Please keep in mind NOTHING is really changing at TooBad in regards to the current rules. The testing to be done is simply accomplished, and will only be required of the "official" winning car. The Traction Magnet Rule for new and less experienced racers that have not won a race is still in effect. The only difference is in my data collection as cars with traction magnets will not be elligible for establishing records (excluding the BRM Porsche 962 Class). In addition there are other reasons a racer may wish to race a car that is out of compliance with the class rules, such as car developement and testing for another race or track. TooBad's policy of WHAT a racer can race or put on the track is not changing. What is changing is a car's elligibility for an "official win".
==========Bill
I didn't bid on it. I already have enough of them!
Anybody bidding on this BRM Porsche 962?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCALEXTRIC-C353 … 3ab042a820
2 hours later.....it's gone!
GOOD QUESTION!!!
Here's a design sketch Howie sent:
Info I received from Beau:
"Don't know if it was already suggested, but what about wheel chair wheels? Kinda spendy new but if we can chase down an old lady that may "accidentally " tip over, we might have a used set. Guess we'd have to do that twice."
"Do a search for Images of Adult Soapbox Derby Cars. Some cool stuff.... "
Lists updated from July 23 and Aug.13, '15 races.
I will go ahead and post race results until Amy is able to get our spread sheet up and running.
Results from the August 13th race:
Classic Sports Car Class:
1st Rico Locati 51.1 laps
2nd Goose Gossett 50.2
3rd tie Greg Petrolati 49.3
3rd tie Bryan Dickerson 49.3
5th Glenn Heath 48.3
6th Chris Kouba 48.0
7th Al Christensen 47.7
8th Jeff Fields 46.7
9th Amy Fields 39.7
10th Bill Bostic 37.7
F1 Class Results:
1st Goose Gossett 54.5
2nd Amy Fields 51.5
3rd Rico Locati 49.5
4th tie Greg Petrolati 48.5
4th tie Jeff Fields 48.5
6th Bill Bostic 47.2
7th Chris Kouba 45.4
8th Bryan Dickerson 35.4
9th Glenn Heath 30.7
10th Al Christensen 29.8
BRM Porsche 962 Class Results:
1st Goose Gossett 61.5 laps
2nd Rico Locati 57.4
3rd Chris Kouba 57.1
4th Al Christensen 55.4
5th Bryan Dickerson 53.5
6th Bill Bostic 47.1
Over 50 Class Results:
1st Goose Gossett 52.7
2nd Rico Locati 51.2
3rd Al Christensen 50.0
4th Chris Kouba 49.9
5th Bill Bostic 44.5
Rules updated August 17, 2015. Addition to General Rules, numbers 5,6, and 7.
Rules updated to allow for better record keeping of class statistics and records. Many of the current recorded class record statistics have become scewed due to non-spec cars, or racers using multiple cars in one race. Racers can still use multiple cars in a race if they choose to however, they are not elligible for an official win.
Who is bidding on this BRM?
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