Topic: NASTE 2010 Schedule

Yesterday at the Autumn Hills NASTE Race it was decided another race would be added to the schedule. There were originally 8 races scheduled for the NASTE 2010 season. Due to schedule changes we are currently looking at only 7 races for this season. The addition of one race would bring us back up to the original number of eight. It was also decided the eighth race would be held at Jeff Courtney's Hemi Heights raceway Park, a four lane routed 1/24 track. I have submitted three prospective race dates to Jeff, June 5th, 12th, or the 19th. All three are Saturdays. I talked with Jeff a little at yesterday's race and he is open for suggestions as far as what class of cars we'd like to race. Anybody got any input they'd like to submit?   ---------------------------Bill

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June 8-15 I will be in Hawaii if that makes any difference.  I say we race something that we haven't raced before or in some time although the RadioShack cars were lots of fun and worked well on Jeff's track.  Just my two Lincoln's worth.  I could always volunteer the Fiat Punto's and we have two Citroen SuperSaxo's between Monte and myself that are basically the same car.

Rico

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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Got this reply from Smooth (Monte):

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I think some 1/24 scale cars are due.......we could dust off the ol 55's or i think Jeff has some flexi cars...or i could supply two econo cars....and if we could get two more.....

As for the dates of Jeffs race I think we are available  for all three of those dates.

What are we going to do for next season...i know its a ways out there but are we going to do the IROC thing again or are we going to do a builders class.....something simple chassis wise.....we could do econo type cars...and maybe have the use of Jeffs track......howies track or Bobs track for our races......or stick with only 1/32???   or keep it IROC......any suggestions?

"Due to economic cutbacks,the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off"

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The eighth and final race of the NASTE 2010 IROC Point Series will be held at Jeff Courtney's Hemi Heights Raceway Park on Saturday June 19th 2010. Jeff plans to have four 1/24 Falcon motored flexi cars fitted with wing bodies ready for us to thrash on the fast Hemi Heights track! ...............Get READY!  --------------------Bill

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Per Bryans's question, I hope we stay with the IROC program.  I'm afraid there are a number of the folks that won't want to build a car in whatever scale we choose.  Plus I like the variety of venues and styles.  We've already got a few other series around that go the individual car route.  IROC is the best opportunity for newcomers to get involved.

"Big Smooth"

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NASTE's evolution into an IROC racing series has been quite interesting and rewarding for all of us! I agree that the IROC series is the best format for newcomers whether they are new to the hobby, or just getting back into it. And with the NASTE Series it provides racers with an opportunity to try slot racing in various scales, with various types of cars, at various venues.

  So with all that said I would like to add that I feel racing your own car also adds value to a slot car group or club. With newer racers it gets them more involved in the hobby, gives them a better understanding of how the cars work, and adds many more aspects to the hobby. For more experienced racers it adds more challenges and stirs interest. One thing I have noticed with NASTE's current series is as racers get more involved in the hobby they seem to migrate to the other clubs for their racing. This is not a bad thing, but unless there is a constant flow of new racers coming into the NASTE series the field of racers drops dramatically. If there is enough of a drop in participation one has to wonder if a group like NASTE and the IROC format is needed. So how do you keep the interest of experienced racers as well as keep the racing competitive and interesting for newer racers? You need both as new racers learn more about their new hobby from the experienced hobbiests.

  With that in mind here's a proposal for 2011; keep the NASTE IROC series, but add a class to be raced where racers provide their own cars. Our races have been ending at a reasonable time by starting the races between 5 and 6 pm. I would propose a slight change in the racing format. Run the IROC race first, with two rounds of racing as we currently do. However for those racers who wish to compete in the class using their own cars, they would race only one round in the IROC race. The racers not racing in the "owners" or "builders" class, would race two full rounds of the IROC with their best finish of the two rounds being scored for points. The racers competing in the other class would use their best one round finish position in either race to be scored for their points (very similar to the "Full Monte" format NASTE currently uses at some venues).

   In my opinion, if you ain't buildin' you ain't learnin', and if you ain't learnin' you're losin' interest......

   Opinions?...........Let 'er rip!!!

--------------------------------------Bill

8 (edited by reek455 May 5, 2010 1:44 pm)

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I like the idea of a builders class, I think it would be fun, but it clearly is not for everybody that races at Naste races.  I believe you already understand this and that is why you have people who want to run the builders class only running one heat of the IROC races.  Why not go one step further and run them as a separate series altogether?  You are still going to have to run the same number of heats so it wouldn't be much, if any, more time.  The hardcore folks certainly aren't going to mind running an extra heat or two. Mony of the folks at Naste races are not hardcore racers, but more like what I would call "dabblers".  I don't think this is a bad thing in any way and I think a builders/owners class could go a long way towards keeping both sides happy.

I think a bigger issue is what scale are we talking?  This year the majority of the races are 1/32 scale with a few 1/24 and HO thrown in. Would those interested in building have to build cars for all three scales?  It is my understanding that your new track, assuming you finish it, is probably able to race 1/32 and 1/24 as is Jeff's track.  For the sake of argument, we decide on using 1/32 as the builders class, doesn't that make it more a tuner's series since most 1/32 cars are RTR to start with?  To me, 1/24 cars are more of a builder's class, especially if you use brass/soldered chassis but if we go this route then many of the existing tracks would not be usable as venues.

I'm afraid that I'm creating more questions than anwers, but I do believe it needs to be said.  If we pool our resources and our heads I'm sure we can hammer out something, but we need more people involved than just the few regulars that post here on the forum.  Maybe some type of meeting at or after the last race is in order?

Regards
Rico

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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Rico, All good points! I had the same thought as you regarding the heats that the harder-core racers wouldn't mind the extra time for another round or two of racing. One of my thoughts on the single round in the IROC race would be to maybe narrow the competition gap between the less experienced racers and the veterans by giving the less experienced a second shot to improve their finish?

As far as what scale again your have excellent points. Traditionally 1/24 scale racing has been the place most builders gravitate to. However I do have some ideas there also. I think rules could be established for a class of 1/32 car that would allow some creativity for builders, and still allow racers to use and be competitive with RTR type cars if they choose. Some experimentation could validate the concept. The nice thing about a 1/32 class is it would give us many more race venues as most 1/24 tracks could be utilized also.

Then there's that darn track issue.......This one I've done to myself!.............but I'm very determined this time around!!!!

Questions are good! Finding answers is the challenge!!! A meeting would probably be good!!!!  --------------------------Bill

10 (edited by reek455 May 6, 2010 9:13 am)

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Maybe Naste is at a cross roads?  Most of the long time Naste racers are primarily 1/24 racers while the newer members are more 1/32 based.  We only raced on one 1/24 track this year (two times once the season is over) and the rest have/will been/be 1/32.  I do think that some of the 1/24 track owners would be willing to host a Naste event, they just need to be asked.  This subject came up at the last GT-1 race at Howie's.  That being said, how many of the the 1/24 guys are willing to run 1/32 on a consistant basis? 
Once again, I'm raising more questions than answers, but the way I see it is that the 1/24 and 1/32 groups need to come to some kind of consensus or we will not be able to get this done.  Keep in mind this is just my opinion based on what I've seen/heard in the relatively short time I've been racing with all of you.  Are you willing to be part of the solution?

Rico

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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You're right about the 1/24 track owners being willing to hold a NASTE race. All the track owners I've approached in the past have been very receptive to holding NASTE races! The problem for me becomes the scheduling of so many races at so many different tracks. You have to work around the other clubs schedules as well as the track owners schedules if they hold regularly scheduled races. In addition to most racers each having a scale of racing they prefer, some racers prefer the type of racing a certain club provides (i.e. some club's racing is more serious than others). NASTE races are, and always have been very low key. I'd have to say that the competition is probably not the emphasis in NASTE races. This does not appeal to some racers and that's OK.

   Here's the way I see NASTE and it's value. NASTE gives new racers an opportunity to try racing cars of different scales and types. NASTE gives track owners and clubs the opportunity promote their races and racing by hosting a race to new and or different racers, racers other than their usual crowd. As far as competition, anybody who has competed in the NASTE Point Series knows it is very difficult to race so many different types and scales of cars on various tracks. The are many variables in racing the NASTE Series and the drivers that do the best are those that are best at adaptation and dealing with negative circumstances. We have very few rules, so there just aren't any cheaters. If something goes sideways, there is always the "Too Bad" Rule to fall back on! Once initiated, that's it! But I think the greatest value of NASTE is the way it has integrated the socializing with the racing. NASTE races are NASTE events that include great food and now even board games. I don't see any people leaving the races disappointed or upset..........EVER!

   In regards to "Are you willing to be part of the solution?", I guess I don't fully understand the problem? I didn't think there was a problem, I'm just not sure what road NASTE should go down next season, or if it should even turn a tire?

   There appears to be a lot of viewers on this topic. I'd sure like to hear from some of the newer racers also!  ---------------------------Bill

12 (edited by reek455 May 6, 2010 9:45 pm)

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wb0s wrote:

In regards to "Are you willing to be part of the solution?", I guess I don't fully understand the problem? I didn't think there was a problem, I'm just not sure what road NASTE should go down next season, or if it should even turn a tire?

   There appears to be a lot of viewers on this topic. I'd sure like to hear from some of the newer racers also!  ---------------------------Bill

That is what I was trying to say- we need some more input, not that there is a problem, sorry for the poor choice of words.  Look at the user list and the number of posts for each user.   This forum is for everyone, not just the top three users.

Rico

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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Yes, our user list is HUGE!!! ........AND there seems to be quite a few "views" of this topic..............maybe it's just us three looking over and over......................and over and over.........etc.....etc..