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YES.............MONTE IS RIGHT!!!!

This would be OPEN TO ANY CLUB or GROUP!!! Just because WE don't have you listed or know about you doesn't mean you're not out there!!!!.........guess maybe I'm OUT THERE!!!

Anyway, like Monte says ANY group, it just needs to be a "real" race! 

And if I left your club or group out, I appologize!!!!    --------------------Bill

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I like it- mostly.  I have many 1/32 cars so it will be easy for me to do those races, but I have no competitive HO, 1/43 or 1/24 cars. Unless some of the other race series have loaner cars, I will have to bear the expense of fielding cars for a handful of races.  I just don't have enough time to devote to 5 different series.  I have a feeling this may prove difficult for many of us.  I also think it might be a rough go placing well in series you are not familiar with, especially if you are only able to run a few times.  I know there are some excellent competitors in some of the local series and some abroad for that matter.

Just some initial thoughts

Rico

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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Well, the idea is that it will be the same for everyone.  With the limit of two races per track even the 1/24 guys are going to have to branch out.  I imagine the HO guys might have an even tougher time finding enough HO events.  And maybe there's the possibility of running a 1/32 scale race on a larger type wood track.  We just have to pick the track(s) and work out the details with the track owner.

It's very possible for folks to get out and get enough events that it will come down to the final three days of IROC to decide the champ.  Consider that the PSSRA folks race EVERY Wednesday.  But once again, there's the track limit.  Max of 2 counting results per track.

And of course the more events you run at a variety of tracks, then the more chance you have of getting a group of good results to add to your score.

Bottom line, most of us will have to go outside our particular "field".

And what's wrong with that?

We haven't even addressed the drag racers...  Where's Jeff?

"Big Smooth"

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Does it have to be a race series?  Let's say Monte and Victoria have a digital event Jeff has a 1/24 event and Bryan T has a HO event, would these count?  Would the PSSRA enduro's count?  There is just no way I can see being able to devote myself to 5 separate series.  Let's face it- you are not going to go to a new series with new/loaner/rental car and dominate the series, so your Naste Champ points are going to be from dissapointing finishes for the most part. Do the final 3 races count towards the total number of races?

Rico

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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Some very good points and concerns Rico. That's why I'm glad to see some discussion going on, I hadn't considered some of your points. Let's give some of your points some names and numbers for example. Let's consider a PASER member, PASER currently races at Checkered Flag and Rapid Raceway, and this past season they raced once on the BullRing. That would give one of their racers 5 finish results. However many of the PASER racers also race with OSCAR, so they would be able to pick up their remaining race finishes at Tom's World in Bend, Electron Raceway or Spare Time Raceway in Roseburg, or Heidelberg Raceway or Pelican Park in Eugene. The PASER or OSCAR racers probably have one of the best scenarios in this format, second only to the NASTE racers because we race everywhere with all the different groups we know of. The draw back there is the races would not be IROC as we have done in the past. The Cape Horn racers are at a disadvantage. Their group races on one track, although I did read they have another track at a different location now. Also at a disadvantage is the group that races with Beaverton Slot Car Club, again one track. What it boils down to is how many races are available on how many different tracks where they race the same type of car? Or how many opportuniities are there for a racer to race HIS car on different tracks? So here's the beauty of this for track owners. It's NOT about getting all the groups and racers doing the same thing or racing the same cars. I hear track owners saying they're not getting enough use out of their tracks. So with this format you have the ability to have more races because it doesn't matter if your schedule interfeers with another group's. Here's an example, Rapid Raceway is open for a Hardbody PASER race on the 15th. On the 30th Rapid Raceway is open for a Flexi race Cape Horn style, different cars, different group of racers for the most part. If track owners truely wish to hold more races this would be an easy way to accomplish it. The 1/24 tracks around could hold races with the car types from Cape Horn, Pelican Park, Heidelberg etc. etc. in 1/24, as well as 1/32 magnet-less races. Nobody would have to have extra cars, or for that matter, even more than one! The rub maybe with the HO racers? I do not know how many different tracks they race on? HO GUYS, wade in here! However, I do know of two HO tracks that are on the NASTE circuit that don't get much use! And I am willing to use mine! I truly believe this format could accomplish a lot for the racing in our area, without changing the make-up or continuity of the existing clubs and groups. It's about racing opportunities!  -------------------Bill

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Yes, the final three races are added to the other possibilities so that everyone can arrange to have x-number of results prior to the finals.  Then the finals are three IROC races that all count.

So for instance...  we count your top 9 finishes.  To do this you have to run on at least 5 different tracks.  However, let's say you run an entire Beaverton season.  You can pick out your two best finishes there and count those as part of your total - only 7 to go.  Now at the conclusion of the season you have your 9 best counting events.  Then the final three IROC's will be added to that.  Here's why...  We did a similar thing in SCCA but they did not have a final three system.  Everyone just accrued points.  There were TONS of ties at then end of the season and they quickly adjusted to a finals system the following year.  This almost assures you there will be no ties.

And this doesn't mean that NASTE can't still sponsor events.

However as the "head" of the process it would serve us well to continue with IROC races.  It's a good way to bring in new people.  We can also expound on the virtues of IROC racing to some of the other groups.  Those that have hosted NASTE races this past season all enjoyed the IROC format.  Especially when we supplied the cars!

"Big Smooth"

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The discussions regarding the NASTE 2010 season are still going on. At the NASTE Thursday at Howie's Terry Abbott told us about an idea he had for the upcoming season. Terry suggested we scratchbuild some 1/32 chassis for the Revell 1/32 Snap Tite series of model cars. The cars design needs to be such that they will perform well on the 1/32 sectional plastic tracks as non-magnetic cars, and perform equally as well on the 1/24 wood routed tracks throughout our area. I really like this idea! It would enable us to have an IROC season without having to maintain a large stable of cars. We would only need four cars plus a couple spares to race on all the 1/24th and 1/32nd tracks with all the various clubs. After testing at Howie's I'm convinced we can put together some 1/32 cars that will work on both types of tracks. In addition to the six or so 1/32 cars, we would only need approximately six HO cars to cover that scale. This plan would enable us to keep the NASTE IROC style series which seems to be so popular.

I have started researching parts costs for building the 1/32 cars. The model kits used for the bodies sell for $3.99 at Fred Meyers. I am leaning towards the use of the SCX 42B motors. They are fast enough, and the motors are srviceable and rebuildable. The SCX motors retail for $9.99. The SCX motors will also bolt into a standard 16D or Falcon type motor bracket. I am thinking of using a guide flag mount that will accept the Slot.It guide flags that secure by a screw. With this type of guide flag mount we could easily change Slot.It guide flags between the standard and wood track types (if needed) depending on where we are racing. The same could be true for the rear tire setups. We could alternate between silicones, rubber, or urethane depending on track surface.

My plan right now is to put together a prototype to test. I'll keep you all posted......  --------------------------Bill

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I picked up a couple of the Revell 1/32 Snap Tite kits today, one Mustang and one Camaro. The Camaro body is significantly wider between the rocker panels. I think I will use the Camaro for the prototype. In an effort to keep the cost down on these IROC cars, I'm going to build the prototype chassis around a used Parma Womp chassis. This will make a big diffenence in the final cost of the cars since I have a box full of used Womp chassis! This chassis' motor mount will accept many different motors (i.e. 16D, Falcon, Cheetah, Plafit, and the SCX motors). If it doesn't work out I'll just scrap it and start over.............  ----------------------Bill

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Interesting.  I was going to ask how about using Womps, figured you mgiht have some.

"Big Smooth"

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Yup, I do have SOME!!! Didn't actually realize how many!

My plan is to cut the width down, and basically use the Womp chassis as a center section. It will make up the motor, rear axle, and guide flag mount. I will use brass side pans that the body will mount to. The pans will be mounted to the center section "rattle" style, similar to the Econo chassis.  ------------------Bill

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Make sure you use .090 brass!  Yah, I know I'm a smart a$$!!

Rico

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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I'll be sure to double check this time!!!!!   -----------------------Bill

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Tonight I started building the prototype of the NASTE IROC Camaros. I have started a photo gallery of the mule's buildup. You can follow the progress by clicking on the "Slot-Tech" tab on the home page.  -----------------------------Bill

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One question regarding the steps shown in the gallery. Why not move the cut lines a little further outside so the from axle tabs remain on the chassis?

George

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"Get the shotgun, Martha. The herd needs a thinnin'." - Bucky Katt

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Great question George. I figure either way would have worked, but here's my thinking; first off the wheelbase for the Camaro body is longer than that of the Womp chassis, so I have to build a new front axle mount anyway.  The other consideration I had was the side pans. If I had made the center section wider I would have ended up with narrower brass side pans. The narrower side pans would have worked, but I was thinking I wanted a little more weight to the side pans. Plus the wider pans make mounting the body a little easier.  --------------------Bill

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Any more news on the Parma hybids?

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.

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Sorry guys, been busy doing other "summertime" things.........I'll be back to it soon!!!  --------------------Bill

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NASTE RACERS, Didn't mean to leave ya'll hangin'. Still working on a date for the NASTE BBQ. Lookin' at middle to late September now. More when I know more......   ----------------Bill

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The NASTE BBQ and 2010 Season Meeting will be held at Jeff Courtney's Hemi Heights Raceway Park on Sunday September 13th. This year we are making it a Potluck Affair. The hamburgers and hotdogs are lined up, so just bring a side dish or snack of your choice. The track will be up and running, doors open at 2:00pm. Hope to see you all there.  ----------------Bill

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Thanks to Jeff Courtney for the great BBQ,  and play day at Hemi Heights Raceway Park!!!! And a special thanks to all the NASTE members who brought side dishes

I'll be posting and circulating the proposed race schedule soon.

Thanks to all who participated today!!!  ----------------------------Bill

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Here is what was decided by the NASTE members in attendance at the NASTE BBQ on Saturday Sept. 12th, 2009:

  Race Days will be Saturdays, Gates Open at 3:00 P.M. Races Start at 6:00 P.M.

  The Season Opener will be the Annual Halloween Race at Hemi Heights Raceway Park on Friday October 30th 2009. This is a NON Points Race, cars will be Judged for prizes and the race will be for bragging rights only. Cars will be Judged in three categories, Funny, Creative and Scary. Costumes optional but clothing is mandatory. The Annual Halloween Races will be the season openers for future NASTE Racing Seasons. The Halloween Openers will be held at Hemi Heights Raceway Park unless otherwise specified before the beginning of the new season.

  All NASTE races for the 2010 season will again be IROC style races. As scheduled for now 1/24 tracks will race the NASTE '55 Chevys. 1/32 tracks will race the NASTE Carrera Aston Martin Vanquish cars. HO tracks will race T-Jet cars. These types of cars for IROC races are subject to change.

  There will be an official NASTE Scrabble table set up at each race for Scrabble competition in conjunction with the racing.

  The following are the race dates for the NASTE 2010 Racing Season:

November 14th 2009
December 5th 2009
January 9th 2010
January 23rd 2010
February 20th 2010
March 6th 2010
March 27th 2010
April 17th 2010
May 1st 2010
May 22nd 2010

Tracks/Race locations are yet to be determined. Track owners; for those track owners interested in hosting a NASTE race for the 2010 season, please send me an email indicating your first three preferences for a race date from the list above. Thank you!   ---------------------------Bill

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Hello Racers, These are the confirmed race dates I have at this point in time.

TRACK OWNERS if you are interested in hosting a NASTE race for our 2010 season, please send me an email listing the dates you are interested in from the list of open dates below. Please submit your dates in order of preference. Thanks!  ----------------Bill

NASTE 2010 Racing Season Schedule:

November 14th 2009

December 5th 2009

January 9th 2010  HOPAC HO - Canby

January 23rd 2010  Marshall Field - Beaverton

February 20th 2010

March 6th 2010  Monte - Hillsboro

March 27th 2010  Hawksbill Station - Warren, Oregon

April 17th 2010 3 - Jacquelin Park Speedway - Hillsboro

May 1st 2010  Autumn Hills - Milwaukie

May 22nd 2010  RPT Raceway - Milwaukie

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Racers, regarding the upcoming NASTE Halloween Race; Jeff's Hemi Heights Raceway Park has an overpass with a clearance of 3 1/2 inches. Be sure your Halloween themed racer is not over 3 1/2 inches tall at it's highest point!!!!  -----------------------------Bill

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Have you guys checked out the current point standings????

We have a tie for second with third one point behind, and first place only has a 10 point margin........

This is all going into the last race!!!!

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It should be an exciting finale.

"Big Smooth"