NASTE Odd Thursday Night Racing Rules & Current Thread (Page 6 of 85)

Here are the rules we are going use to get the Trans Am class started.

NOTE - these rules have been updated as of 8/1/2014. Please refer to the OFFICIAL RULES posted in the Race Rules portion of the NASTE Forum.

Trans Am - In this class we will run 2 divisions for at least 3 races to establish a baseline of performance.

   Stock Division - Cars will be raced as "out of the box" stock with the traction magnet in place, and only two modifications allowed.
1, any rear tire may be used, but must be mounted on the stock wheel and not exceed 8mm in tread width.
2, weight may be added but must be positioned in front of the interior, on the inside of the car. No other modifications.

   Modified Production -
Chassis - Stock manufactured chassis only.
             - NO traction magnet. Traction magnet must be removed.
              - OK to enlarge body mount screw holes to allow body float.
              - OK to may trim off up to 1/16" around chassis perimeter for body float.
              - OK to cut off body bumpers and valance from chassis and glue onto body in stock position.
             
Body - Stock body, same manufacture as chassis only.
         - OK to remove stock spoilers.
         - No flaring of body fender wells or enlarging of wheel opening.

Tires & Wheels - OK to run any tire or wheel as long as they are not wider then 8.75mm.
                         -  Tires can not protrude past body, meaning wheelbase width cannot exceed body width.     
 
Gears, Axles, Axle Bushings - OK to use after market parts.

Guide Flag - OK to use Nova adapter for stock chassis flag mount repalecemnt or repair.

Interior -  Stock interior, same munufacturer as body only.
             - OK to sand bottom of interior for body float, floor boards must remain in stock location, no chopping or sectioning.

Motors - Stock 18000 rpm motors.

With these two divisions racers should be able to race any Trans Am car they currently have. For at least these first 3 races the two divions will be scored separately. The first race date with the Trans Am Class included is July 17th, 2014.  I will update the calendar to reflect which classes we will be racing on each Odd Thursday race night.

wbos: I like you're approach to the T/A rules. And keeping the F-1 with monte's rules is a good common sense way to run these cars. Should be a lot of fun running these cars we have sitting around.

Goose

July 17th and another Odd Thursday! We had eleven racers on hand for the drop of the green flag. This was the first race with the new Trans Am class. This first race showed the Pioneer Trans Am cars with somewhat of an advantage with their motors out running the Scalextric cars. The field consisted of box stock cars as well as some that were slightly modified. There were even some replicas of cars that competed in the 2 liter and under division of the Trans Am races. Questions were raised as to whether the U2 cars would be allowed to compete in the Trans Am races at TooBad Motorplex. The answer to that question is still up for debate.
   
    The GT race had a new entry from John Morse. John brought out his new Nissan R390, and was able to put down some good lap times once he got use to the new car. During his last heat race in the GT class, Rico not only fought off the other racers but battled a kamikaze fly that for some reason decided Rico was tasty. The fly kept Rico out of the top five in the GT class. Some said it was probably MY fly, working as trained..........I'm not tellin'!

    The BRM Porsche race had six entries, with NO loaner cars on the track! This class is becoming very popular and for good reason! These cars set some of the fastest lap times on the TooBad circuit, and they are just a riot to race! If you could imagine Porsche 962 short track cars, you can get somewhat of a picture of what goes on racing these cars on the tight TooBad course. The racing is just brutal!!! We push, shove, slam, punt, and crash but these cars are tough and just take it! They are really a lot of fun, and the racing is extremely close!

Race Results:

Trans Am Class:
1st Greg Petrolati 53.9 laps - Pioneer Mustang Notchback / Modified Production stock 21k motor.
2nd Rico Locati 53.0 - Pioneer Mustang Notchback / Modified Production stock 21k motor - prep by Greenman.
3rd Goose Gossett 50.6 - Scalextric Camaro / Stock w/no traction magnet & weight, stock 18k motor, Paul Gage tires.
4th Bryan Dickerson 50.1 - Scalextric Mustang / Stock w/rear tire change.
5th Monte Saager 48.8 - SCX Cuda / Stock w/42B motor & rear tire change.
6th Tracy Flood 47.8  -  Scalextric Mustang / Stock.
7th John Morse 47.7  - Scalextric Mustang / Stock.
8th Bill Bostic 45.8  - Scalextric Camaro / Stock w/no traction magnet & rear tire change.
9th John Fisher 45.7  -  Fly Alfa GTV U2 / Stock w/rear tire change. Motor ? = slow.
10th Mitch Brooks 45.1  -  Scalextric Mustang / Stock w/no traction magnet & rear tire change.
11th Perry Petrequin 40

GT Class:
1st Goose Gossett 58.1 laps
2nd Tracy Flood 57.1
3rd Monte Saager 57.0
4th John Fisher 54.8
5th Greg Petrolati 54.3
6th Rico Locati 53.5
7th Bill Bostic 53.2
8th Mitch Brooks 47.5
9th John Morse 35.5

BRM Porsche 962 Class:
1st Goose Gossett 61.1 laps
2nd Rico Locati 60.9
3rd Tracy Flood 59.1
4th Bill Bostic 58.6
5th John Fisher 55.3
6th Mitch Brooks 53.9

When the Trans Am class idea was first brought up to me the idea was pretty much a "stock" class. My thinking is we already have 2 classes (Classic Sports Car & GT) where the rules allow most any modifications, so I was thinking the Trans Am Class could be closer to a "box stock" type of class. Maybe something along the lines of the BRM Porsche class, where all you need are quick simple modifications to be competitive? Any thoughts?

I like the 18k cap on the motors. If we don't do something like that, everyone will want or need a Pioneer car and we'll have a field entirely of Pioneer cars. I am always concerned about the "new" racers or racers with limited funds to devote to our hobby. The Scaley cars are cheaper and somewhat easier to acquire. I might be able to part out some Scaley cars to have low cost 18k motors available or I have a few Scaley trans Am cars that are BEAT I could offer for sale cheap. The only concern I have with upgrading gears is; doesn't that open the door for upgraded axles and aluminum wheels? Monte beat the stock Scaley's with his SCX Cuda & 42B in Thursday's race. The 42B is rated at 18k on the motor spec sheet we are going by. I'm on the fence when it comes to the 2.0l cars also. I think we would have to score them separately. The heats with Pony cars vs 2.0l cars would give the pony cars an advantage as far as not having to race side by side (less chance of interferrence between cars - less nerfing etc.). This to me gives the faster (pony car) driver an advantage as far as being able to run faster and more laps. Plus as previously stated, you get WAY more variation in elligible cars. I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing???

===============Bill

The SCX motors may be rated the same RPM wise but there a couple of things to consider. One, they are heavier by quite a bit and two, they are relatively slower revving.  So, even though they are rated the same RPM wise they tend to be a little slower. On tracks with long straights this would be reduced but there are no real long straights at TooBad where the racing is being held.

Rico

I have my car from the other night set up with a ProSpeed motor.  I only have one good one.  I could set the other car up with the 42B for comparison purposes and we could test both to compare.

Bill: Sorry i am just now getting back to you, had to fill in for missing guy at the shop today. Per you're above question to me about having two divisions of t/a cars; at this point we need to really determine how well the out of box w/magnet car will really do against the non mag car. I would prefer all the cars would eventually be non mag w/spec parts upgrades of their choice. I was planing on running my mustang "out of box car, w/mag" that john ran last night at the next race to see how the laps compared to my last night race with my non magnet car with pg tires to try and help determine any difference's. I would also ask you if you think we should do as in our other class's where we allow new racers to run with magnet until they win a race and then ask them to remove magnet and allow them to update car with weight and tires of there choice. Please accept this as just a suggestion to keep cars as close to the same as possible.

Goose

I have made a change to the classes we will be racing at the next Odd Thursday Night Race at TooBad motorplex in Fairview. With the interest that has been shown for the new Trans Am Class I would like to get some more testing completed so we can finalize the rules. A few racers have some ideas and set ups they would like to try out under race conditions. For this reason I have made a change to the schedule to include another Trans Am race at the next Odd Thursday get together. We will be racing the Classic Sports Car Class, Trans Am, and the BRM Porsche 962s. At this point I will hold off on scheduling the Vintage Formula 1 class races. I plan to work the Vintage Formula 1 class into the rotation by the end of August.

=============Bill

Maybe you could bring one of those three cars you already have set up with the ProSpeed motor and we could see how they compare to the other Trans Am cars as far as speed?

Goose,

I have the wing, what I'm missing is the grill and the headlight lenses.

Very cool!!!

I suppose you got it for about $2.00.........................shipped...................!!!!!????