2,176 Reply by wb0s

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Well put Mitch!

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2,177 Reply by wb0s

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Official Results - NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.10 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway

GT3 Class -

1 Al    70.4 Laps - 11 points
2 Rico    69.0 - 10 pts.
3 Daniel    68.6 - 9 pts.
4 Fernando    67.3 - 8 pts.
5 Gary   66.8 - 7 pts.
6 Stan    60.9 - 6 pts.
7 Jeff Fields    60.4 - 5 pts. - 7.724 Fastest Lap
8 Jeff Burns    60.4 - 4 pts. 
9 Terry Redeau   59.4 - 3 pts.
10 Jake  59.3 - 2 pts.
11 Chris Hammet - 1 pt.

Standings After 10 Races

1st Al 66 pts.
2nd Daniel 64 Points
3rd Chris K. 49 pts.
4th Mitch 40 pts.
5th Rico 39 pts.
6th Gary 33 pts.
7th Jeff Fields 29 pts.
8th Stan 24 pts.
9th Fernando 20 pts.
10th Greg 18 pts.
11th Monte 14 pts.
12th Jeff Burns 9 pts.
13th Jake 8 pts.
14th - tie Chris Hammett 7 pts.
14th - tie Terry Redeau 7 pts.
16th tie Bill 3 pts.
17th Amy 2 pts.
18th - tie Victoria 1 pt.
18th - tie Nicki 1 pt.

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2,178 Reply by wb0s

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Odd Thursday Night Racing March 29, 2018 -

Results:

Classic Sports Car Div.II
1 Daniel   72.8 Laps
2 Rico    70.9
3 Al    70.3
4 Gary    68.3
5 Stan   63.9
6 Jeff    61.1
7 Fernando   60.0
8 Jake   59.2 - Fastest Lap 7.863
9 Amy   59.2
10 Terry Redeau  58.3
11 Chris Hammet   52.5

GT3 - Official NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.10
1 Al    70.4 Laps - 11 points
2 Rico    69.0 - 10 pts.
3 Daniel    68.6 - 9 pts.
4 Fernando    67.3 - 8 pts.
5 Gary   66.8 - 7 pts.
6 Stan    60.9 - 6 pts.
7 Jeff Fields    60.4 - 5 pts. - 7.724 Fastest Lap
8 Jeff Burns    60.4 - 4 pts. 
9 Terry Redeau   59.4 - 3 pts.
10 Jake  59.3 - 2 pts.
11 Chris Hammet - 1 pt.

BRM Group C Class
1 Rico   76.0 Laps
2 Daniel  73.6
3 Al  71.0
4 Jeff Burns  67.3
5 Stan  64.6

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2,179 Reply by wb0s

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I agree with Chris on the classes that should be scheduled for the point series championship. I think they should be classes that have been established and raced for at least one full season of non-point races. As Chris said this allows racers time to acquire a car and get it dialed in. This makes for closer and more competitive racing. The point series races should be used to determine who the best drivers, tuners and builders are. They are not the races that should be used for car development and "practice". The point series races not only determine the best drivers, but determine who has come up with the best setups and the best builds as evidenced by durability and consistency. That is not to say some development and "tweaking" does not take place during the point series, but the preliminary "bugs" should be sorted out by the time the point races start.

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2,180 Reply by wb0s

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Mitch58 wrote:

When I started with NASTE I think we only had GT and Classic Sports car, at least that's all I remember. F1, LeMans, Trans Am, Over 50 and Can Am all came later.

It bugs me that I can't remember, I'm sure we didn't run the same cars every two weeks. I think each week we ran one of the classes then Bill ran an IROC race. I'm sure someone else remembers.

Mitch, I looked back and the first NASTE Odd Thursday Night race you attended was on November 7, 2013. At that time it looks like we were racing the Classic Sports Car and GT classes at each race. After those two classes were raced we finished off the evening with a BRM 1/24 IROC race which Chris Kouba started for the NASTE racers. If you're wondering, you finished 6th and 1st in the first two races. I have a feeling you lost your magnet privileges in that second race!

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2,181 Reply by wb0s

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I agree with Doc, and I agree with Chris on limiting the number of classes raced for the point series championship.

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2,182 Reply by wb0s

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That is the same type of results I saw from rewinding motor armatures years ago. Performance of motors was not linear in regards to applied voltage. An armature wound with X feet of #Y wire at Z number of turns per pole may have resulted in 20k RPM at 12 volts. Another armature wound with a heavier or lighter wire at different feet and turns may delivery the same RPM or very close to the same RPM at the same voltage. However when you lower or raise the voltage, each of the two different armature wind's RPM may vary greatly. Available current (amps) also contributes to the final RPM output and can also vary greatly depending on the wind. Some motor brands may run close to their maximum RPM at slightly lower voltages, some may drop off more.

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2,183 Reply by wb0s

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Using a "Spec" voltage versus specific motors may be a good alternative. It would take some testing. Lowering the voltage may even close the performance gap between some of the different motors. My experience in testing motors has never shown a linear performance change with varying voltages applied. For example, just because a motor is rated at 18,000 RPM at 14 volts doesn't necessarily mean it is going to deliver 9,000 RPM at 7 volts. From my observations anyway.

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2,184 Reply by wb0s

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One thing to consider when making up rules, is to be sure new people coming into the group can get started without a lot of extra expense and work. As we know many times new people don't have the skills developed to make changes to their cars. It is also discouraging for them to find out they not only have to buy a certain car, but they have to replace the motor it came with before they can even race it. We have seen people get discouraged and not come back for these reasons. It is one thing for the experienced racers in the group to establish rules they like, but on the other hand if you don't take into consideration what's required for new people to get into your racing program you will see a decline in membership. I've seen this happen with other clubs, and more than once. The most difficult part of maintaining a slot car racing club is acquiring new members! Acquiring new members should always be a top priority if you want the club to succeed.

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2,185 Reply by wb0s

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Participation is a good thing Doc!

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2,186 Reply by wb0s

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The current 1/32 F1 class has never been part of the NASTE Point Series Championship. As laid out there is no way to accurately and fairly score the finish positions and award points.

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2,187 Reply by wb0s

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Official Results - NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.9 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway

Trans Am Class

1 Daniel    67.7 Laps - 9 points
2 Al    67.5 - 8 pts.
3 Mitch    66.6 - 7 pts.
4 Greg    66.0 - 6 pts.
5 Chris K.    65.2 - 5 pts.
6 Gary    64.3 - 4 pts.
7 Fernando    62.7 - 3 pts.
8 Chris Hammet    54.3 - 2 pts. 
9 Terry Redeau   49.7 - 1 pt.

Standings After 9 Races

1st - tie Al 55 pts.
1st - tie Daniel 55 Points
3rd Chris K. 49 pts.
4th Mitch 40 pts.
5th Rico 29 pts.
6th Gary 26 pts.
7th Jeff Fields 25 pts.
8th - tie Stan 18 pts.
8th - tie Greg 18 pts.
10th Monte 14 pts.
11th Fernando 12 pts.
12th - tie Jake 6 pts.
12th - tie Chris Hammett 6 pts.
14th - tie Jeff Burns 4 pts.
14th - tie Terry Redeau 4 pts.
16th tie Bill 3 pts.
17th Amy 2 pts.
18th - tie Victoria 1 pt.
18th - tie Nicki 1 pt.

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2,188 Reply by wb0s

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Odd Thursday Night Racing March 15, 2018 -

Results:

GT3
1 Al   70.2 Laps
2 Daniel    68.4
3 Chris    67.8
4 Mitch    66.1
5 Greg   64.5
6 Terry Redeau    60.6
7 Gary   60.5
8 Fernando   60.1
9 Chris Hammet    57.4

Trans Am - Official NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.9
1 Daniel    67.7 Laps - 9 points
2 Al    67.5 - 8 pts.
3 Mitch    66.6 - 7 pts.
4 Greg    66.0 - 6 pts.
5 Chris K.    65.2 - 5 pts.
6 Gary    64.3 - 4 pts.
7 Fernando    62.7 - 3 pts.
8 Chris Hammet    54.3 - 2 pts. 
9 Terry Redeau   49.7 - 1 pt.

Open Class
1 Chris   77.8 Laps
2 Al  76.7
3 Gary  75.6
4 Terry Redeau  71.5
5 Mitch  71.0
6 Daniel  64.1

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2,189 Reply by wb0s

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Hmmmmmm..........Strombecker and Eldon...............I have some of those............somewhere............I think................

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2,190 Reply by wb0s

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I'm good with the proposal.

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2,191 Topic by wb0s

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I received this proposal from Chris Kouba and thought I would post it here for discussion:

LMP class:

I originally intended to write up some sort of class structure for the inclusion of the modern LMP cars with and without roofs, so they would fit into something similar to the GT class.  But I started getting drawn into a "Sportscar Decades" type of class, to allow all manners of hardware from similar eras to run on the track together.  There are a few cars out there which would be cool to run more but that don't have roofs.  Class rules would be copied from GT with the exception of not requiring a roof.  Eligible cars would be from each decade, starting with the 70's.  If it ran in IMSA, SCCA, FIA, Camel GT, etc... classes, it's good to go in the appropriate decade bucket.

If the decades aren't an appropriate bucket, we could look at pre-ground effects (1970-1980), ground effects (1981-1993), and LMP-era (1994-present).  We can adjust as necessary.

This gets us a place to run the 908/3's, the 917/30's, 936's, Matra's, Audi R8's, BMW LMR's, Peugeot LMP's etc... with other era-appropriate cars (both open and closed roof).  This is effectively our GT class broken into era buckets with the roof restriction removed.


Sportscar Era classes:
Pre-Ground Effect (PGE) Era - Full-fendered sportscars from 1970 through 1980 which ran in FIA, IMSA, or SCCA sanctioned events.  Any motors (22k limit), tires, driveline configuration, or chassis material may be used.  Bodies must be injection molded or resin cast and not vacuum molded.  Thunderslot brand RTR cars are NOT eligible for this class, but their driveline components (wheels, axles, gears, tires) and guide assembly may be used for tuning. 

Ground Effect Era (GFX) - Full fendered sportscars from 1981 through 1993 which ran in FIA, IMSA, or SCCA sanctioned events.  Any motors (22k limit), tires, driveline configuration, or chassis material may be used.  Bodies must be injection molded or resin cast and not vacuum molded.  Thunderslot brand RTR cars are NOT eligible for this class, but their driveline components (wheels, axles, gears, tires) and guide assembly may be used for tuning. 

LMP Era (LMP) - Full fendered sportscars from 1994 through current  which ran in FIA, IMSA, or SCCA sanctioned events.  Any motors (22k limit), tires, driveline configuration, or chassis material may be used.  Bodies must be injection molded or resin cast and not vacuum molded.  Thunderslot brand RTR cars are NOT eligible for this class, but their driveline components (wheels, axles, gears, tires) and guide assembly may be used for tuning. 




A straight up LMP (only) class would also be similar rules, FIA/IMSA/GT cars from 1994 onward, although I'd remove the motor restriction.  Try this on for size:

Any full-fendered car competing in IMSA- or FIA-based classes is legal for this class. Any motors, tires, running gear, driveline configuration, or chassis material may be used. Thunderslot brand RTR cars are NOT eligible for this class, but their driveline components (wheels, axles, gears, tires) and guide assembly may be used for tuning.


Thoughts?

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2,192 Reply by wb0s

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Official Results - NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.8 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway

GT Class

1 Chris K.    80.3 Laps - 9 points
2 Al    76.6 - 8 pts.
3 Stan    71.5 - 7 pts.
4 Gary    71.4 - 6 pts.
5 Daniel    70.3 - 5 pts.
6 Rico    68.1 - 4 pts.
7 Mitch    58.2 - 3 pts. - 7.675 second fastest lap
8 Fernando    58.2 - 2 pts. - 8.123 second fastest lap
9 Chris Hammet   56.6 - 1 pt.

Standings After 8 Races

1st Al 47 pts.
2nd Daniel 46 Points
3rd Chris K. 44 pts.
4th Mitch 33 pts.
5th Rico 29 pts.
6th Jeff Fields 25 pts.
7th Gary 22 pts.
8th Stan 18 pts.
9th Monte 14 pts.
10th Greg 12 pts.
11th Fernando 9 pts.
12th Jake 6 pts.
13th tie Jeff Burns 4 pts.
13th tie Chris Hammett 4 pts.
15th tie Terry Redeau 3 pts.
15th tie Bill 3 pts.
17th Amy 2 pts.
18th tie Victoria 1 pt.
18th tie Nicki 1 pt.

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2,193 Reply by wb0s

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Odd Thursday Night Racing March 1, 2018 -

Results:

Trans Am
1 Rico   70.5 Laps
2 Daniel    68.6
3 Chris    68.4
4 Al    64.9
5 Mitch   62.5
6 Gary    62.1
7 Stan   61.4
8 Fernando   58.6
9 Chris Hammet    54.1

GT - Official NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.8
1 Chris K.    80.3 Laps - 9 points
2 Al    76.6 - 8 pts.
3 Stan    71.5 - 7 pts.
4 Gary    71.4 - 6 pts.
5 Daniel    70.3 - 5 pts.
6 Rico    68.1 - 4 pts.
7 Mitch    58.2 - 3 pts.  - 7.675 second fastest lap
8 Fernando    58.2 - 2 pts.  - 8.123 second fastest lap
9 Chris Hammet   56.6 - 1 pt.

Open Class
1 Chris   77.8 Laps
2 Daniel  74.0
3 Al  73.8
4 Mitch  72.9
5 Stan  71.1
6 Rico  69.1

BRM Group C
1 Chris    71.5 Laps
2 Al    69.5
3 Mitch   68.9

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2,194 Reply by wb0s

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The race schedule for the remaining 2018 season has been revised. The Point Series races are the same but order of the first races of the night have changed. The third race of the night will remain BRM, but the fourth race will change to Open meaning Thunderslots or any car that might compete with them.

The NASTE calendar and the list of races here in the forum have been updated to reflect the changes.

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2,195 Reply by wb0s

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I think I now have all the NSR references eliminated. Let me know if I missed any.

=======Bill

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2,196 Reply by wb0s

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These discussions are still open for further consideration:

F1

GT

Thunderslot & NSR

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2,197 Reply by wb0s

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Thanks Monte, I see the new tab!

I'm marking the previous rule discussion threads as CLOSED to direct any new conversation to this thread. We still have some discussions open for further dialog. I will try to move those links to this thread. Sound OK?

=====Bill

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2,198 Topic by wb0s

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We had a meeting between the preliminary race and the point series race on February 15th to conclude some of the discussions regarding rule changes to existing rules for next season. Here is a quick run down of the approved changes for the 2019 season by class. These changes will NOT go into effect until the start of the 2019 racing season which starts sometime around September of 2018 (clear as mud right?).

Can Am: Can Am and USRRC will become stand alone classes and as such raced separately. The exclusion of NSR brand cars and chassis plates removed.

Classic Sports Car Division 1: This will become a spec motor class. Division I cars will be required to use the H&R 14k motor only. Class is limited to cars replicating cars built and raced through 1967. Podded chassis will be allowed in Division I provided the chassis motor pod mounting screws are tightened AND the pod is permanently glued making the chassis compliant with the solid chassis rule. No movement or dampening is allowed between the main chassis piece and the motor pod.

Classic Sports Car Division II: This will become a spec motor class. Division II cars will be required to use the H&R 18k motor only. Class is limited to cars replicating cars built and raced through 1975.

* These rule changes posted to Official Rules on July 6, 2018

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2,199 Reply by wb0s

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Official Results - NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.7 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway

Classic Sports Car Div.II

1 Al  74.1 Laps - 10 pts.
2 Mitch  73.9 - 9 pts.
3 Chris  71.8 - 8 pts.
4 Rico  69.3 - 7 pts.
5 Daniel  67.1 - 6 pts.
6 Monte  63.9 - 5 pts.
7 Jeff F.  63.3 - 4 pts.
8 Bill  62.5 - 3 pts.
9 Terry R.  60.4 - 2 pts.
10 Gary  45.4 - 1 pt.

Standings After 7 Races

1st Daniel 41 Points
2nd Al 39 pts.
3rd Chris K. 35 pts.
4th Mitch 31 pts.
5th tie Jeff Fields 25 pts.
5th tie Rico 25 pts.
7th Gary 16 pts.
8th Monte 14 pts.
9th Greg 12 pts.
10th Stan 11 pts.
11th tie Fernando 6 pts.
11th tie Jake 6 pts.
13th Jeff Burns 4 pts.
14th tie Chris Hammett 3 pts.
14th tie Terry Redeau 3 pts.
14th tie Bill 3 pts.
17th Amy 2 pts.
18th tie Victoria 1 pt.
18th tie Nicki 1 pt.

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2,200 Reply by wb0s

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Feb. 15, '18

Close racing at Rippin' Ridin' Raceway last night! The top three from the last Can Am race repeated for podium finishes with Al taking his second consecutive point series race win, and this one counts! The lead off race for the night was for the F1 Class where Doc posted the win with a one lap lead over Goose.

Thanks to Al for some excellent racing and a good supply of snacks and drinks! Thanks to all the racers that provided MORE snacks!

Results:

F1 Class
1 Daniel   69.9 laps
2 Gary  68.9
3 Monte  67.8
4 Jeff  67.5
5 Rico   66.6
6 Al  65.7
7 Amy  64.7
8 Chris  60.4
9 Jake  58.9
10 Mitch  58.0
11 Bill  57.2
12 Terry R.  55.6

Classic Sports Car Div.II - Official NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.7
1 Al  74.1 Laps - 10 pts.
2 Mitch  73.9 - 9 pts.
3 Chris  71.8 - 8 pts.
4 Rico  69.3 - 7 pts.
5 Daniel  67.1 - 6 pts.
6 Monte  63.9 - 5 pts.
7 Jeff F.  63.3 - 4 pts.
8 Bill  62.5 - 3 pts.
9 Terry R.  60.4 - 2 pts.
10 Gary  45.4 - 1 pt.

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