I will be at Al's tomorrow night!

I am bringing some parts as well as some cars for anyone interested.

Last race of the season!

Doc, you gonna be second?

=========Bill

Yeah, summer time is rough for slot racing. Definitely the off season!

It will be good to see you back at the track Matt!

We had a good turn out for yesterday's open track Monday. 10 racers, two of which came up from Eugene, put down some rubber on the track. There were quite a few good on track battles with many different types of cars throughout the day.

I would like to have some short sprint type races mixed in with practice sessions. At this point we are still developing the details for accomplishing this. I consider Inslot's Checkered Flag Raceway to be the PASER Club home track. PASER's car classes have been developed over a long period of time and are well detailed in their rules. My plan is to also promote and hold Northwest True Scale races as well as NASTE races. Like PASER, Northwest True Scale has well developed classes with rules that are well detailed.

Which NASTE car classes are well suited to the Checkered Flag track has been an ongoing area of discussion. Since NASTE is heavily weighted towards 1/32 hardbody cars and running them on tighter tracks at lower voltages, some changes to those cars is required for them to run well at ICFR. Things like additional weight bias, a deep "wood track" style guide flag, dropping the flag lower in some cases, and the newer natural rubber style rear tires, are all modifications that will improve handling.

With that said, discussions late Monday about specific NASTE classes to run/race at ICFR (in addition to the usual PASER and NWTS classes) ended with a Stock Womp Class and the modification of the OVER 50 Class. These rules are in the development stage and the rules are subject to change as we progress through further development. Once we decide on the final rules I will update the NASTE Official Rules for these two classes. But for now here's what we will start with:

Stock Womp Class:

Class Goal: Keep this a budget class, limiting it to primarily STOCK 1/32 Parma Womp chassis, keeping the cars as close to OEM components as practical. Final motor spec will be determined with the goal of keeping the cars quick, with low cost motors.   Some speed may be sacrificed to gain better handling and closer competition.

Must use a STOCK 1/32 Parma Womp STEEL chassis. - NO modifications. That means NO bracing, NO bending, etc.

Must use the stock 1/8" front axle, stock front wheels, and stock front "O" ring tires. Front wheels may be set up to rotate individually.

Minimum ground clearance of .055" at lowest point.

A final motor spec has not yet been determined. We are currently considering the Piranha 21.5K FC-130 S-Can (available through Professor Motor $7.99), and the Predator FC-130 25K S-Can (available through Slot Car Corner $7.99). I would personally rather use FK type motors, so I will check to see what is available at a low cost. It appears the Professor Motor FK 25K motor is no longer available. Until a final decision is made on a spec motor, we will allow any motor rated at 25K or less. This will also give us an opportunity to evaluate other motors. Please use motors that are READILY available to everyone!

OVER 50 Class:

Class Goal: To provide racers the opportunity to run and race their old '60's type slot cars. Rules limiting the modifications to the cars to retain the classic feel and tradition. Minor modifications will be allowed to enhance the cars performance, durability, and "fun factor".

Body: Clear type bodies or injection plastic molded bodies are permitted. Clear type bodies can be no less that .010" thick.
          Bodies must be representative of cars raced or produced before 1970.

Chassis: Any production chassis manufactured in the 1960's may be used (i.e. Classic, Gar-Vic, Cox, Strombecker, Russkit, AMT,
             etc.).

Motor: Motors must be of the type the chassis was originally designed for (i.e. 36D, 26D, early 16D, 13D, Pitman open motors,
          KTM style "padlock" motors). Late model 16D type motors are NOT legal for this class.

Tires: Rear tires may be newer style "natural rubber", with a minimum diameter of 1 inch, and with a maximum width TBD.
         Minimum ground clearance: .055" at lowest point (includes spur or crown gear).

Car weight: Maximum car weight shall not exceed 205 grams.

Allowable modifications: Motor = NONE.
                                    OK to replace original threaded REAR axle with drill blank type to allow use of set screw type wheels.
                                    OK to replace original spur, crown, or pinion gears.
                                    OK to replace original guide flag.
                                    OK to replace original type guide flag braid.
                                    OK to add weight in the form of lead or brass for ballast. Added weight must be well secured to chassis.

These rules are preliminary and will be refined as testing and competition develops. Because of the broadness of the 60's chassis designs as well as motor developments, there will be some disparity between different car types and brands. But the real goal of this class is to get the old cars back on the track and have fun with them! Keeping this in mind these basic rules will get us started!

When I made a trip down to Pelican Park Speedway on July 21st, I saw they had some of Doug Haynes' 1/24 Resilient Resin bodies left over and for sale. If anyone is interested in buying any of these bodies let me know and I can arrange to pick them up on my next trip down to Eugene. The bodies are $20 each, unless they have a flaw (a couple are slightly warped).

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Close ups:
Left to Right -

Hussein, McLaren, Ford Hot Rod Roadster.
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Hot Rod Roadster (again), Elva, Honker.
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Lola T70, Maserati, Mercedes.
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Another Maserati, Lister, D-Jag.
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This is Tom Snyder, one of the original and founding members of the group. If I remember correctly, Tom was also involved with Doug and the HO racing on Doug's fantastic HO track in the late '70's and '80's. Tom continues the legacy and holds "The Official Rule Book"!
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Here are a couple of the models on display.
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I never dreamed when Doug Haynes bought this track from me in 1989 and moved it from Portland to Eugene, I would be racing on it 32 years later! Not to mention that it would be transformed into such an amazing looking track! Thank you to all the Pelican Park racers for keeping this track and racing program alive!
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Also in the facility there are many displays of static racing models as well as old slot cars. Here's some of Doug's work with his Resilient Resin bodies.
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I believe this is the 1/24 Cox Lotus Doug bought from me in about 1988!
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Even the small infield sections are filled with details!
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Track details abound at pelican Park! It's fun to just wander around the room checking everything out!
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John
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Paul
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Gary K.
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I did a little better this trip. Still last place finisher but, I didn't see this guy with the yellow flag nearly as much!
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John Gill and I made a return trip to Pelican Park for their Grand Sport Class race. Pelican Park Speedway is a facility every slot car racer should visit at least once! There is lots of history there! I'm pretty sure this is the oldest active 1/24 track in the state! If you ever have the opportunity to check it out do it! There's a bunch of really nice guys that race there, and their lap race format is a lot of fun!

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936

(5 replies, posted in Cars)

That's a really good looking Ferrari Rico!

Bob will hook you up Doc!

937

(5 replies, posted in Cars)

You are so right Mitch! And although your example of the classic "door stop" makes my stomach feel like there's something BIG coming, with one of the more "realistic" bodies fitted these cars are not only cheap, but great fun to race! If anybody is interested in racing these cars I have used chassis, cars, and parts. Bob Nakamura has an abundance of new parts for these cars, as well as new tires, and he sells to local racers at a very good discount!!!

Not necessarily. I can use the 1/8" axle wheels also!

Racers, It has come to my attention that here at Inslot's Checkered Flag we can use the old tires off of our 1/24 hardbody cars for the home set type of 1/32 cars.


So when your tires are too short to be used on your 1/24 cars, do not throw them away! I will pay $1.00 a pair for your old worn out tires and wheels. I only ask that not be all dried out.

Thanks!   =======Bill

NASTE 2021 Point Series Championship Race No.7 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway July 15, 2021

Race Results - Carrera DTM Class:

1 Daniel 68.3 Laps - 5 points.
2 Al 67.5 - 4 pts.
3 Rico 65.2 - 3 pts.
4 Jeff 61.9 - 2 pts.
5 Brent 47.2 - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2021 NASTE Point Series Championship After 7 Races:

1st - tie Al - 31 points.
2nd - tie Daniel - 31 pts.
3rd Rico - 23 pts.
4th Zack - 13 pts.
5th Mitch - 9 pts.
6th Jeff - 7 pts.
7th Greg - 5 pts.
8th Tom - 4 pts.
9th - tie Chris - 1 pt.
9th - tie Brent - 1 pt.

July 15th race results:

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It's really good see you back on here Bob!

Get back up to speed soon!

OK, I'm up to the third computer for a back up. I finally got the Trackmate and Race Coordinator programs loaded properly. Today I did some testing of both programs in both Practice mode and Race mode. I'm happy to say both programs worked without any errors. I think I also solved the monitor problem by resetting the sleep and screen saver timer settings. But of course all of this will be validated on Monday when it is put into practical application...........

I also did just a bit of work on an old Slot.it Nissan R390. With a little mild tuning I got lap times below the 6 second mark. A little more work on it and I might be able to keep up with Doc.

Here's a link to some interesting info on vintage motors: http://slotblog.net/topic/36654-underst … 16d-motor/

I have moved what I have written up of the rules for the Sprint Races on Monday Open Track days under a new topic. This will help me keep track of them and easily make any necessary updates or changes.

Read them here: http://naste.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=13257#p13257

4 Inch Flexi.

4 Inch FLEXI General rules

BODIES

Body must completely cover the frame, wheels and tires, and guide flag, from both top and front views. No open wheel type bodies (i.e. Indy Car, F1, dirt modifieds, etc.).
All wheel openings must be cut open to reveal the side profile of the tires. Must have clear windows and a painted 3-dimensional driver figure.

FRAME

Any 4 inch or 4.5 inch stamped steel chassis. Chassis may be modified to run a 1/8th inch axle. Wheel base must not exceed 4.5 inches. Frame may be weighted and reinforced. Frame may be bent. Motor plate may be slotted. Lead wire restraints may be soldered to frame. Pin tubes no longer than 1.25” may be soldered to frame to attach body. No other cutting or grinding is allowed. Car must have .055” ground clearance without guide flag supporting the car. Any commercial guide and wire may be used. No weighted guides.

MOTOR

Proslot #2101, 2001, 2003 or Parma 502 motor. No ball bearings. Motor may be soldered, taped or siliconed in place. Armature may be shimmed and the commutator may be trued.

AXLE AND GEARS

Cars must use 1/8” axle on the rear. Front axles may be 1/8” or 3/32”. Gears must be plastic 48 pitch. Gear ratio open. Oilites may be glued, LOCTITE’d or soldered in place. No ball bearings.

TIRES

Front: Standard original 4 or 4.5 inch flexi fronts or any suitable replacement.
Rear: Any rear tire combination may be used. Maximum track width is 3.25”. Appropriate spacers may be used to achieve this width. Minimum rear wheel diameter is .750”.


Production Hardbody 1:32. This is basically the NASTE Open Class (only a little more open).

Full fendered 1/32 scale RTR production sportscars  which ran in FIA, IMSA, or SCCA sanctioned events.

Must use a readily available production chassis. After market 3D chassis are allowed. 

Any stock unmodified production motor available for 1/32 cars.

Any wheels, tires, gears, and guide flag.

Bodies must be injection molded or resin cast and not vacuum molded.

Over 55. This is a loose (very loose) version of the NASTE Over 50 Class. Think of it as an semi-open vintage class.

Class Goal: To provide racers the opportunity to run and race their old '60's type slot cars. Rules limiting the modifications to the cars to retain the classic feel and tradition. Minor modifications will be allowed to enhance the cars performance, durability, and "fun factor".

Body: Clear type bodies or injection plastic molded bodies are permitted. Clear type bodies can be no less that .010" thick.
          Bodies must be representative of cars raced or produced before 1970.

Chassis: Any production chassis manufactured in the 1960's may be used (i.e. Classic, Gar-Vic, Cox, Strombecker, Russkit, AMT,
             etc.). Any vintage slot car that is not of an angle-winder motor configuration. Chassis may be production or scratcbuilt,
             but may NOT use a floppy pan design. This is to limit entries to the technology of pre-hinged pan designs.

* Lowest points of chassis must meet .055 inch minimum clearance.

* Chassis may have weight added in the form of lead pieces.

* You can NOT add side pans to the chassis.

Motor: Motors must be of the type the chassis was originally designed for (i.e. 36D, 26D, early 16D, 13D, Pitman open motors,
          KTM style "padlock" motors). Late model 16D type motors are NOT legal for this class.

Tires: Rear tires may be newer style "natural rubber", with a minimum diameter of 1 inch, and with a maximum width TBD.
         Minimum ground clearance: .055" at lowest point (includes spur or crown gear).

Car weight: Maximum car weight shall not exceed 205 grams.

Allowable modifications: Motor = NONE.
                                    OK to replace original threaded REAR axle with drill blank type to allow use of set screw type wheels.
                                    OK to replace original spur, crown, or pinion gears.
                                    OK to replace original guide flag.
                                    OK to replace original type guide flag braid.
                                    OK to add weight in the form of lead or brass for ballast. Added weight must be well secured to chassis.

Everything else is open. This will be a "bracket" or Break-Out" class with the break out lap time set at 6.5 seconds. If you complete any laps quicker than the break out time those laps will not be counted.

These rules are preliminary and will be refined as testing and competition develops. Because of the broadness of the 60's chassis designs as well as motor developments, there will be some disparity between different car types and brands. But the real goal of this class is to get the old cars back on the track and have fun with them! Keeping this in mind these basic rules will get us started!

Womp Class:

Class Goal: Keep this a budget class, limiting it to primarily STOCK 1/32 Parma Womp chassis, keeping the cars as close to OEM components as practical. Low cost motors are a priority for this class. A lap time break-out of 5.5 seconds will be used as a way of limiting motor performance. Some speed may be sacrificed in order to gain better handling and closer competition. Most any motor rated at approximately 25K or less should keep you within the 5.5 second lap performance window. Any laps made quicker than the 5.5 second break-out time will not be recorded by the lap counting/timing computer system.

Chassis: Must use a STOCK 1/32 Parma Womp STEEL chassis. - NO modifications to the chassis, and NO additional weight/ballast
                                                                                            may be added. That means NO bracing, NO bending, NO lead, NO
                                                                                            brass! Stock means STOCK! The only allowable modification is a
                                                                                            slight bend to the motor mount to align the armature
                                                                                            shaft/pinion angle to the rear axle.
                                                                                         
Axles: 1/8" or 3/32" axle in the rear. Front axles must remain stock at 1/8". Bushings only - no bearings. Bushings can be soldered or glued in place.

Gears: 48 or 64 pitch gears only, any brand.

Wheels & Tires: Front stock "O" ring tires. Front wheels may be set up to rotate individually. Maximum front track is 2.5" (same as chassis width).
                       Rear tires = Natural Rubber / foam tires. .650" maximum width. Rear tires not to extend beyond body wheel
                                         opening when viewed from above. Maximum rear track width is 2.5" (same as front).

Clearance : .055” at lowest point. Crown gear must have .055" clearance from track surface if it hangs below chassis.

Body: Any 1/32 body made to fit the Womp chassis. All cars must have a driver figure.

Motor: FC or FK can motor with a maximum rating of 25K will meet the 5.5 second lap time break-out parameters.

This class will be raced in a lap count heat race format, using a minimum lap time break-out system.

* This class is still under development with ongoing testing on Mondays.

* Rules amended 11/16/2021

947

(11 replies, posted in Track)

AWESOME Stan!!!!

I don't think I could figure it out Doc. Sorry.

A 6.5 second lap is pretty quick for an Over 50/55 car. My car is no slouch and I was a good half second off that mark running quite a few laps on an inside lane (blue).

If we need to adjust that mark we will. Tune 'em up and bring them out Monday and we'll see where we're at!

Just for reference, I was unable to make a 6.5 second lap with my NASTE Over 50 Class Cheetah. It is a 36D powered Champion side winder chassis with a clear body, and urethane tires. The best I could do was a 6.98 lap.

kidvolt wrote:

Where my Asp!  And a 6.6 second motor...


ASP is good now! Just don't run under 6.5 seconds! Gear or adjust accordingly!