926

(11 replies, posted in NASTE)

The next NASTE race is scheduled for here on Saturday, May 2.  In preparation for our big Rib's 'n Racin' event we'll be running on the digital track - new things to make sure of.  It will NOT be a TEAM Enduro.  Rather here is the format that we'll be using:

Jacquelin Park Speedway
Digital Bracket Race Format

1. Draw for rotation position within division
2. Each racer to run 4 sprints of 25 laps per rotation position

  • No refuel

  • First to 25 wins and the heat ends

  • Each racers complete laps will be totaled

Sprints are only used for bracket seeding and are not part of your score


3. At conclusion of sprints racers in each division will be ordered bottom to top for Bracket Racing
4. Starting from the bottom brackets will be structured so that there are 4 racers per heat
5. The higher rated racer in each heat gets choice of car/position
6. One 50 lap heat per bracket will be run with re-fuel with the winner of the heat moving on to the next bracket
7. Bracket results will establish the final results and will be the only scored portion


Let the complaining begin.

927

(14 replies, posted in NASTE)

Hahahaha, thanks for a great day, we had a wonderful time.

Thanks for the great evening out, always good to get some toy time. 

The Cobra is making progress but still needs some taming.  But all in good time.  First I have to fix what I broke.

929

(2 replies, posted in Slot Talk)

I have a variety of colors here if you want options.  cool

930

(48 replies, posted in Ebay)

How did I miss that one?  big_smile

Big thanks to Bill for another Thursday night of fun runs.  I guess I have to actually work on my cars...

932

(6 replies, posted in NASTE)

Yes, thanks to the Nak's for having us over, we had a great time as well.

933

(13 replies, posted in Too Bad Motorplex)

Sounds like a great time, we'll hope to be there.

934

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

i agree.  And all of this would be mitigated by all owners hosting the same amount of counting races.  I'm all for that.

935

(60 replies, posted in Too Bad Motorplex)

It is the Classic Asp.  The body is from www.truescaleproducts.com.  Have not seen a Viper body.

As for the Vette, however it works easiest is good with me.

936

(60 replies, posted in Too Bad Motorplex)

Hello boys...

http://www.naste.org/members/monte/Kiss_My_Asp.jpg

New body on the way.  Next up on the dream list - La Cucaracha...

937

(4 replies, posted in Penguin Point Raceway)

Thanks Bill.  Another great day at the Pen.  It was a wonderfully sunny first of March so we opened the door for most of the day.

Eighteen racers in attendance and Vic even gave me a thrashing.  Oh well, so it goes.  Here's some results:

Ninco Class - any Ninco car, any Ninco motor

1. Goose - 44.9 laps
2. Greg Petrolati - 44.6
3. John Fisher - 42.8
4. Tracy Flood - 42.4
5. Victoria Saager - 42.1
5. Bill Bostic - 42.1
7. Jeff Fields - 41.6
8. Russell Flood - 41.1
9. Mitch Brooks - 39.8
10. Thomas Flood - 39.4
11. Todd Flood - 39.3
12. June Petrequin - 38.8
13. Dorothy Abbott - 38.7
13. Monte Saager - 38.7
15. Tyler Petrequin - 38.4
16. Terry Abbott - 38.3
17. Amy Anderson-Fields - 36.6
18 Jimmy "Jihadi" Jones - 35.0


IROC - Slot.It Ferrari 312 PB and Slot.It Alfa 33/3 (2)

1. Bill Bostic - 48.0 laps
2. Tracy Flood - 47.2
3. Terry Abbott - 46.3
4. Monte Saager - 46.0
5. Goose - 45.5
6. Dorothy Abbott - 44.8
7. Thomas Flood - 44.7
8. Russell Flood - 43.8
9. Mitch Brooks - 43.4
10. Greg Petrolati - 43.2
11. Todd Flood - 43.0
12. Jeff Fields - 42.0
13. Victoria Saager - 41.8
14. Jimmy Jones - 38.8
15. Amy Anderson-Fields - 34.7

We thank you all!  The food was wonderful, the friendship great.

Oh you guys...

I'd be interested but I'll have to find one first.

Another car, oh good.  Another car!

940

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

Terry, some tracks are unfair because the owners have a good skill level AND a good amount of experience vs their competition.  It's why Bryan wins nearly every race on his track.  It's why I win most of the time here.  Especially since my skill has improved significantly since the early days of Autumn Hills when that was not the case.  You can check the results and do your own skew there.

The goal is to find the most fair track, the one where the owner wins the least amount of time and everyone has some experience and feels comfortable.

Perhaps we should have a vote on which track folks would prefer to use for a one race finale.  But, everyone will need to vote, not just the forum regulars.

As for counting the results of the track owner, as Bill points out, it won't really change much but it may affect how the others feel about it.  Neither do I feel the need for the two wins at home crutch.  Nor do I feel the need to actually be the Champion.  I'm happy to see everyone get their chance.  It's more important to me to show my friends a good time when they come to our house.

You'll note the Sunday Series may have a points leader but there is no champion. 

Fair rules for ALL are my only goal.

941

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

And one other item to consider for fairness...  The track owner wins most of the time.  ALWAYS!

Find a solution that makes it equally fair for the racer that doesn't own a track and host races.  Otherwise why should I even want to race in a system that clearly rewards those that are track owners that host?

In my opinion, a reduced number of counting events with more opportunities to improve the count gives more people a better chance to get to the final and win the championship, but that's just me.

And there is one more option I have considered bringing up.

Don't let the host(s) race. 

And I'm fine with that rule.  It's fair.  And it would simplify a lot of things.

942

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

I'm sorry, I got lost.  Exactly who did I benefit with my "skewed numbers" and my suggestion that Bill's track was a good solution?  And the list of apparently skewed numbers was to compare wins by track owner, not the track owner, his immediate family (uh let's see, John Bostic, AJ Locati, Amanda Abbott) or personal friends.

So here we are trying to find a good solution that everyone can live with.  Bill has come up with a good plan that will offer reasonable and fair competition for all.  It also allows those that don't feel they have the right moxie to not have to compete for the championship but rather just race for the fun of it.

If someone has a better plan then let's hear it.  We've certainly heard enough complaints about the current one.  Speak up.  Be clear.

943

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

Chris, "so-called"?  We'll both smack you.  ;-0

944

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

An Enduro/Team event could be scheduled without being sanctioned.  It is possible not all events would be sanctioned, the Halloween event for example.

945

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

So why not an HO track I hear you ask? 

Because HO is a more acquired skill than the others and therefore represents the least fair option to the general populace.

Let me show you some numbers to illustrate the actual impact of the "TRACK OWNER".  Here are the compiled results of all the races for the last 7 years hosted by the major players.  Let's see how this actually breaks out:


http://www.naste.org/members/monte/Reality.jpg


As you can see from the information Bill's track is the least likely to reward the track owner while Bryan's is just about a sure bet.  Of the other 6 HO races, 3 were won by the "track owner" while two of the others were won by Bryan and Dave Smith - racers with great amounts of HO skill.

You can also see that the HO track owners have a far greater win rate vs. the other scales.

I believe this points out Bill's track as the best choice.  With the advent of the Thursday night series he's been offering most of us are quite familiar with the track reducing any advantage the track owner would have which the results clearly show.

Just the fact's ma'am.

946

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

Bernie Ecclestone is the chief executive of Formula One.  He thinks he's a big deal.

947

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

Hopefully not an HO track. 

Millions?  Oh yes, putting on a race is quite the money making opportunity.  We should get Bernie involved.

roll

948

(46 replies, posted in Race Rules)

NASTE Racing Guidelines
and
Championship Series Rules

Goal
To promote long-term participation in local slot car racing by following guidelines that promote fairness and progressive skill development.

Assumptions
People participate in this activity for a variety of reasons. Any effective guideline must have some advantages for everyone, from the competitive scratch builder to the casual social participant. A good policy will be defined by its accepted use over time. Track owners are key to achieving this goal, as they can implement whatever policies or rules that they wish on their own property regardless of any guidelines.


NASTE Racing Guidelines

Race Events

Pre-Race Notice - Track owners will specify car classes, acceptable modifications and any other race requirements or special rules of their race in the posting prior to the race ( e.g., “crash and burn”). Rules and requirements may vary by Division. To be an eligible event for Championship Series points, the words “NASTE sanctioned” must appear in the race notice.

$2 Race Fee - Racers will be charged a fee of $2 to compete at each NASTE race. The fee will be waived for new racers, for their first two races. Children 12 and younger will race for free. (These fees effective January 1, 2007.)

IROC Format - All NASTE Championship Series races will use an IROC format where all racers will race the same cars and controllers. Track owners will position and assign similarly prepared cars in each lane with controllers also assigned and remaining connected to each lane. (In the event of damage to a controller, the owner will be reimbursed for the parts necessary to make the repairs by the NASTE treasurer from NASTE club funds.) Racers will not be allowed to use their own controllers.

Awards – Event trophies, certificates, awards or any other recognition is up to the track owner’s discretion, but is encouraged for the Novice Division.

Results - Scores are kept separately by Division. Race results are posted separately on the NASTE website.

Racers

Division - Racers must declare which Division they will compete in at the beginning of each NASTE event.

  • Novice – Any person may declare and race in the Novice Division. However the intent is for this division to consist of less experienced and new racers. Upon winning two races in the Novice Division, racers must move up into the Intermediate Division for all subsequent NASTE races. A track owner/manager may refuse to recognize novice status to any racer who is obviously not a novice.

  • Intermediate – Any person may declare and race in the Intermediate Division.

  • Expert – Any person may declare and race in the Expert Division.

Corner Marshal – When not racing, racers are expected to take a turn at corner marshalling or otherwise providing support to the event.


Race Event Format

Two Rounds - Each race event will be two Rounds of racing. A Round consists of each racer racing one "Heat Race" on each the track's lanes. "Heat Race" laps and fractions of a lap are totaled to determine finish positions for the Round (i.e., on a four lane track, 1 Round = each racer completing 4 Heat Races, one on each of the track's lanes). To simplify lane rotation, Heat Races will start at the track's Start/Finish line. Fractions of a lap will be scored on a tally sheet, and be added to the racer's lap totals. The heat race length will be determined at each race depending upon the number of entries.

Race Formats - Races will be run in one of three types of race formats.

  • Big NASTE - One format is the “best of two” format NASTE has used for years - the "Big NASTE" format. In this format there are two Rounds of racing with each racer’s best finish of the two rounds determining their overall finish position. Championship Series points will be awarded to each racer based on their overall finish position. Track owners or Race Hosts will decide what format they wish to use.

  • Full Monte - The second available format will be called the “Full Monte”. In this format the two Rounds of racing are completed with two different types of cars. The first round will be raced with one type or style of car, and the second round will be raced with a different type of car. The Rounds will be run and scored in the same manner, but for each Round each racer will have a separate finish position. Simply put, each Round is a separate race. Championship Series points will be awarded to each racer based on their best finish in either Race/Round. In this format it is quite possible for two racers to earn the same amount of Championship Series points at the same race. This is in step with the scoring system NASTE used in the late 90s when racing multiple classes at the same event.

  • Standard - The third format will be referred to as the “Standard” format. In this format the racer’s first and second round lap scores will be combined for a total race score.

Sequence by Division - A race may have racers of all Divisions racing together, but when the Divisions race separately, they will race in the following order:

  • Racing events will begin with the Novice Division race.

  • The Intermediate Division race will follow the Novice race.

  • The Expert Division race will follow the Intermediate race.


Championship Series Rules

NASTE Sanction - The words “NASTE sanctioned” must appear on race notices to earn Championship Series points. Casual, unposted or other races do not.

Declaration - Only racers who declare and pay a $5 fee will compete in the NASTE Championship Series. Racers in any Division are eligible.

Points – Each Championship Series racer’s points will be tracked for the racer’s overall finish position in each race. Overall finish positions are based on the finish scores of all the participating racers in all Divisions. Racers have 30 days to challenge posted event results. After that it’s “too bad”. Current NASTE Championship Series point standings will be posted for all to see on the NASTE website. In addition, each racer will be awarded one half of a lap, .5 for each win they score leading up to the final Shoot Out race. Racers are only elligible for the 1/2 lap bonuses on non-hosted tracks. In other words, racers can only receive the 1/2 lap bonuses on tracks they do not own and operate.

Best 5 - Each Championship Series racer's final points total will be based on the racer’s best 5 race finishes.

Championship Run Off - The final race of the racing season will be the NASTE Championship Run Off. This race will be an all-day event and consist of all the racers that have declared their desire to compete in the series and paid the $5 fee. Racers not in the Championship Series will race for door prizes. The top seven racers in points will compete in the Run Off. The racers below the top seven in points will compete in the Trophy Dash. The race format for the top seven in the point series standings will start with the B Main. The B main will consist of the bottom four of the seven in points. The winner of the B Main will move up to compete in the A Main with the top three in points. The winner of the A Main will be the NASTE champion for the season.

949

(37 replies, posted in Slot Talk)

Ran the test car around the track a bit last night and thought it ran great.  Nice build there Bill.

Juh-eez-us Bill.  Is there anything you don't have a collection of?