Not necessarily. I can use the 1/8" axle wheels also!
851 July 20, 2021 11:37 am
Re: Wheels & Tires (2 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
852 July 19, 2021 1:19 pm
Topic: Wheels & Tires (2 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Racers, It has come to my attention that here at Inslot's Checkered Flag we can use the old tires off of our 1/24 hardbody cars for the home set type of 1/32 cars.
So when your tires are too short to be used on your 1/24 cars, do not throw them away! I will pay $1.00 a pair for your old worn out tires and wheels. I only ask that not be all dried out.
Thanks! =======Bill
853 July 16, 2021 1:35 pm
Re: NASTE 2021 Point Series Championship - Results & Standings (35 replies, posted in NASTE)
NASTE 2021 Point Series Championship Race No.7 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway July 15, 2021
Race Results - Carrera DTM Class:
1 Daniel 68.3 Laps - 5 points.
2 Al 67.5 - 4 pts.
3 Rico 65.2 - 3 pts.
4 Jeff 61.9 - 2 pts.
5 Brent 47.2 - 1 pt.
Current Standings for the 2021 NASTE Point Series Championship After 7 Races:
1st - tie Al - 31 points.
2nd - tie Daniel - 31 pts.
3rd Rico - 23 pts.
4th Zack - 13 pts.
5th Mitch - 9 pts.
6th Jeff - 7 pts.
7th Greg - 5 pts.
8th Tom - 4 pts.
9th - tie Chris - 1 pt.
9th - tie Brent - 1 pt.
854 July 16, 2021 1:27 pm
Re: NASTE Odd Thursday Night Racing Rules & Current Thread (2,118 replies, posted in NASTE)
July 15th race results:
855 July 15, 2021 6:37 pm
Re: Summer 4.5 Flexi NASCAR Race (19 replies, posted in Springwater Raceway)
It's really good see you back on here Bob!
Get back up to speed soon!
856 July 15, 2021 3:03 pm
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
OK, I'm up to the third computer for a back up. I finally got the Trackmate and Race Coordinator programs loaded properly. Today I did some testing of both programs in both Practice mode and Race mode. I'm happy to say both programs worked without any errors. I think I also solved the monitor problem by resetting the sleep and screen saver timer settings. But of course all of this will be validated on Monday when it is put into practical application...........
I also did just a bit of work on an old Slot.it Nissan R390. With a little mild tuning I got lap times below the 6 second mark. A little more work on it and I might be able to keep up with Doc.
857 July 15, 2021 9:31 am
Re: NASTE Over 50 Class Racing (8 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Here's a link to some interesting info on vintage motors: http://slotblog.net/topic/36654-underst … 16d-motor/
858 July 15, 2021 9:01 am
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
I have moved what I have written up of the rules for the Sprint Races on Monday Open Track days under a new topic. This will help me keep track of them and easily make any necessary updates or changes.
Read them here: http://naste.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=13257#p13257
859 July 15, 2021 8:55 am
Topic: RULES - MONDAY OT (Open Track) - Car Classes for Monday Races (0 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
4 Inch Flexi.
4 Inch FLEXI General rules
BODIES
Body must completely cover the frame, wheels and tires, and guide flag, from both top and front views. No open wheel type bodies (i.e. Indy Car, F1, dirt modifieds, etc.).
All wheel openings must be cut open to reveal the side profile of the tires. Must have clear windows and a painted 3-dimensional driver figure.
FRAME
Any 4 inch or 4.5 inch stamped steel chassis. Chassis may be modified to run a 1/8th inch axle. Wheel base must not exceed 4.5 inches. Frame may be weighted and reinforced. Frame may be bent. Motor plate may be slotted. Lead wire restraints may be soldered to frame. Pin tubes no longer than 1.25” may be soldered to frame to attach body. No other cutting or grinding is allowed. Car must have .055” ground clearance without guide flag supporting the car. Any commercial guide and wire may be used. No weighted guides.
MOTOR
Proslot #2101, 2001, 2003 or Parma 502 motor. No ball bearings. Motor may be soldered, taped or siliconed in place. Armature may be shimmed and the commutator may be trued.
AXLE AND GEARS
Cars must use 1/8” axle on the rear. Front axles may be 1/8” or 3/32”. Gears must be plastic 48 pitch. Gear ratio open. Oilites may be glued, LOCTITE’d or soldered in place. No ball bearings.
TIRES
Front: Standard original 4 or 4.5 inch flexi fronts or any suitable replacement.
Rear: Any rear tire combination may be used. Maximum track width is 3.25”. Appropriate spacers may be used to achieve this width. Minimum rear wheel diameter is .750”.
Production Hardbody 1:32. This is basically the NASTE Open Class (only a little more open).
Full fendered 1/32 scale RTR production sportscars which ran in FIA, IMSA, or SCCA sanctioned events.
Must use a readily available production chassis. After market 3D chassis are allowed.
Any stock unmodified production motor available for 1/32 cars.
Any wheels, tires, gears, and guide flag.
Bodies must be injection molded or resin cast and not vacuum molded.
Over 55. This is a loose (very loose) version of the NASTE Over 50 Class. Think of it as an semi-open vintage class.
Class Goal: To provide racers the opportunity to run and race their old '60's type slot cars. Rules limiting the modifications to the cars to retain the classic feel and tradition. Minor modifications will be allowed to enhance the cars performance, durability, and "fun factor".
Body: Clear type bodies or injection plastic molded bodies are permitted. Clear type bodies can be no less that .010" thick.
Bodies must be representative of cars raced or produced before 1970.
Chassis: Any production chassis manufactured in the 1960's may be used (i.e. Classic, Gar-Vic, Cox, Strombecker, Russkit, AMT,
etc.). Any vintage slot car that is not of an angle-winder motor configuration. Chassis may be production or scratcbuilt,
but may NOT use a floppy pan design. This is to limit entries to the technology of pre-hinged pan designs.
* Lowest points of chassis must meet .055 inch minimum clearance.
* Chassis may have weight added in the form of lead pieces.
* You can NOT add side pans to the chassis.
Motor: Motors must be of the type the chassis was originally designed for (i.e. 36D, 26D, early 16D, 13D, Pitman open motors,
KTM style "padlock" motors). Late model 16D type motors are NOT legal for this class.
Tires: Rear tires may be newer style "natural rubber", with a minimum diameter of 1 inch, and with a maximum width TBD.
Minimum ground clearance: .055" at lowest point (includes spur or crown gear).
Car weight: Maximum car weight shall not exceed 205 grams.
Allowable modifications: Motor = NONE.
OK to replace original threaded REAR axle with drill blank type to allow use of set screw type wheels.
OK to replace original spur, crown, or pinion gears.
OK to replace original guide flag.
OK to replace original type guide flag braid.
OK to add weight in the form of lead or brass for ballast. Added weight must be well secured to chassis.
Everything else is open. This will be a "bracket" or Break-Out" class with the break out lap time set at 6.5 seconds. If you complete any laps quicker than the break out time those laps will not be counted.
These rules are preliminary and will be refined as testing and competition develops. Because of the broadness of the 60's chassis designs as well as motor developments, there will be some disparity between different car types and brands. But the real goal of this class is to get the old cars back on the track and have fun with them! Keeping this in mind these basic rules will get us started!
Womp Class:
Class Goal: Keep this a budget class, limiting it to primarily STOCK 1/32 Parma Womp chassis, keeping the cars as close to OEM components as practical. Low cost motors are a priority for this class. A lap time break-out of 5.5 seconds will be used as a way of limiting motor performance. Some speed may be sacrificed in order to gain better handling and closer competition. Most any motor rated at approximately 25K or less should keep you within the 5.5 second lap performance window. Any laps made quicker than the 5.5 second break-out time will not be recorded by the lap counting/timing computer system.
Chassis: Must use a STOCK 1/32 Parma Womp STEEL chassis. - NO modifications to the chassis, and NO additional weight/ballast
may be added. That means NO bracing, NO bending, NO lead, NO
brass! Stock means STOCK! The only allowable modification is a
slight bend to the motor mount to align the armature
shaft/pinion angle to the rear axle.
Axles: 1/8" or 3/32" axle in the rear. Front axles must remain stock at 1/8". Bushings only - no bearings. Bushings can be soldered or glued in place.
Gears: 48 or 64 pitch gears only, any brand.
Wheels & Tires: Front stock "O" ring tires. Front wheels may be set up to rotate individually. Maximum front track is 2.5" (same as chassis width).
Rear tires = Natural Rubber / foam tires. .650" maximum width. Rear tires not to extend beyond body wheel
opening when viewed from above. Maximum rear track width is 2.5" (same as front).
Clearance : .055” at lowest point. Crown gear must have .055" clearance from track surface if it hangs below chassis.
Body: Any 1/32 body made to fit the Womp chassis. All cars must have a driver figure.
Motor: FC or FK can motor with a maximum rating of 25K will meet the 5.5 second lap time break-out parameters.
This class will be raced in a lap count heat race format, using a minimum lap time break-out system.
* This class is still under development with ongoing testing on Mondays.
* Rules amended 11/16/2021
860 July 15, 2021 6:51 am
Re: The Impossible has happened... (11 replies, posted in Track)
AWESOME Stan!!!!
861 July 14, 2021 6:08 pm
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
I don't think I could figure it out Doc. Sorry.
A 6.5 second lap is pretty quick for an Over 50/55 car. My car is no slouch and I was a good half second off that mark running quite a few laps on an inside lane (blue).
If we need to adjust that mark we will. Tune 'em up and bring them out Monday and we'll see where we're at!
862 July 14, 2021 5:51 pm
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Just for reference, I was unable to make a 6.5 second lap with my NASTE Over 50 Class Cheetah. It is a 36D powered Champion side winder chassis with a clear body, and urethane tires. The best I could do was a 6.98 lap.
863 July 14, 2021 5:45 pm
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Where my Asp! And a 6.6 second motor...
ASP is good now! Just don't run under 6.5 seconds! Gear or adjust accordingly!
864 July 14, 2021 5:44 pm
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Add weight = yes.
Side pans = NO.
865 July 14, 2021 1:10 pm
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Monday Open Track days are going well. Attendance throughout the day and evening is good. I'm having a good time.
So here's what I see as the overall goal for Open Track Mondays at Inslot's Checkered Flag Raceway:
1. Provide ample time for all racers in attendance to practice and tune cars.
2. Have a minimum of two short races during the day and evening. These races will be designed to allow racers to compare their skill and equipment to other racers.
3. Keep the atmosphere low key and casual.
With those three goals in mind here are three classes of cars we will be racing. These classes are nothing new, and will be used for the short races. They are existing classes with some changes allowed specifically for running at Checkered Flag.
1. 4.5 Flexi NASCAR. This is the Northwest True Scale racing class. 4 inch chassis will be allowed at Checkered Flag.
4.5 FLEXI NASCAR General rules
BODIES
Body must completely cover the frame and guide flag, from both top and front views.
All wheel openings must be cut open to reveal the full tire. Must have clear windows and a painted 3-dimensional driver figure. NASCAR paint styles with three numbers are required. Body height is 1.750”, measured from bottom of chassis to center of roof.
FRAME
Any 4.5 stamped steel chassis. Chassis may be modified to run a 1/8th inch axle. Wheel base must not exceed 4.5”. Frame may be weighted and reinforced. Frame may be bent. Motor plate may be slotted. Lead wire restraints may be soldered to frame. Pin tubes no longer than 1.25” may be soldered to frame to attach body. No other cutting or grinding is allowed. Car must have .055” ground clearance without guide flag supporting the car. Any commercial guide and wire may be used. No weighted guides.
MOTOR
Proslot #2101, 2001, 2003 or Parma 502 motor. No ball bearings. Motor may be soldered, taped or siliconed in place. Armature may be shimmed and the commutator may be trued.
AXLE AND GEARS
Cars must use 1/8” axle on the rear. Front axles may be 1/8” or 3/32”. Gears must be plastic 48 pitch. Gear ratio open. Oilites may be glued, LOCTITE’d or soldered in place. No ball bearings.
TIRES
Front: minimum allowable diameter is 13/16 (.8125). Minimum width is .500”.
Rear: Any rear tire combination may be used. Maximum track width is 3.25”. Appropriate spacers may be used to achieve this width. Minimum rear wheel diameter is .750”.
*These rules are the same as Tom’s World rules except for the motor rule which states:
“Anybody’s 16D, balanced or not.”
Checkered Flag will allow 4 inch chassis entries.
2. Production Hardbody 1:32. This is basically the NASTE Open Class (only a little more open).
Full fendered 1/32 scale RTR production sportscars which ran in FIA, IMSA, or SCCA sanctioned events. Must use a readily available production chassis. After market 3D chassis are allowed. Any stock unmodified production motor available for 1/32 cars. Any wheels, tires, gears, and guide flag. Bodies must be injection molded or resin cast and not vacuum molded.
3. Over 55. This is a loose (very loose) version of the NASTE Over 50 Class. Think of it as an semi-open vintage class.
Any vintage slot car that is not of an angle-winder motor configuration. Chassis may be production or scratcbuilt, but may NOT use a floppy pan design. This is to limit entries to the technology of pre-hinged pan designs.
* Lowest points of chassis must meet .055 inch minimum clearance.
* Chassis may have weight added in the form of lead pieces.
* You can NOT add side pans to the chassis.
Everything else is open. This will be a "bracket" or Break-Out" class with the break out lap time set at 6.5 seconds. If you complete any laps quicker than the break out time those laps will not be counted.
All of this is subject to change if racers think it is necessary. =========Bill
* Rules amended 7/15/2021
866 July 14, 2021 10:57 am
Re: Summer 4.5 Flexi NASCAR Race (19 replies, posted in Springwater Raceway)
Bob's out sick. I haven't heard an official count, but from what I've been hearing from other racers and their interest I think this race is going to be a go!
867 July 13, 2021 11:38 am
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Matt, yes, the shop panel runs off the house panel. I did order an "extender" that plugs into an outlet. It should be here by next Monday.
However, I think I have taken care of the connectively and programs download problem this morning. I just took the computer into the house where I could get WIFI connection. Who'd a thunk? Sometimes my stupidity is limitless!
Anyway I may have it dialed in now. I'll do some testing, maybe tomorrow. Right now I'm kind of tired of dicking with it!!!!
868 July 13, 2021 8:27 am
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Yesterday's Monday open track day was productive. A bunch of different NASTE spec 1/32 cars hit the track. We're starting to get a pretty good feel for which NASTE classes are best suited to the Checkered Flag layout. The best performers seemed to be the brands you would suspect, Slot.it, Revo Slot, NSR, Racer, the manufacturers of the more "competition" built cars. Some of the more dialed in cars that Doc brought along were turning laps in the low 5 second range. Those are very good times on this track!
The other cars that showed some promise are the Over 50 Class cars (of course since they were originally designed and built for this type of track....duh!). I do need to revamp the rules for the Over 50 cars, at least for racing them at Checkered Flag. More to come on that....
At 3:00pm we ran a short race program for the Over 50 cars. I switched over to the other computer and the Trackmate program. I had set up race parameters for 10 lap heat races. This seemed to work well as it kept the race pace moving along without much down time. It was a good test session and I think once I get it all dialed in that is the program we will use for any races we hold on Monday's. At least that is the plan..........
So now we are at the negative part of the evening. After running the Over 50 Class race, I set the computer to Practice mode. After about a half hour of running cars........FAIL.......the computer monitor went BLACK.....let me just note here: I HATE COMPUTERS!
After switching back to the old computer and SRT program it was determined the new revamped computer with Windows 7 system was the culprit. A "Warning" on the screen stating that the operating system installed was "not an official operating system" leads me to believe the issue is a specific Windows thing. Part of my problems with setting this other computer up has been the fact that I don't get good WIFI coverage in the shop, so I can't download programs and or get updates. So today i will bring the computer in the house where I can connect and see if I can "fix" its problems. We'll see............more on that late also.
Back to good stuff! Stuart brought up 4 of his 1/24 scratchbuilt PASER/OSCAR spec NASCARs for testing. He let me drive each one and all I can say is; OH WOW! Stuart builds some awesome cars! He is also really good about sharing tips. Last night I learned a couple more things from him about chassis set up.
Overall I'm having a lot of fun with the Monday open track sessions. It is good seeing the track put to use!
869 July 12, 2021 7:17 am
Re: NASTE Over 50 Class Racing at Inslot's Checkered Flag Raceway (3 replies, posted in NASTE)
I don't see why not?
We could even race them together and just score them differently?
Motor speed wise there probably won't be a whole lot of difference. The biggest difference will be in chassis design improvements over the chassis made for 36Ds.
870 July 12, 2021 5:27 am
Re: NASTE Over 50 Class Racing (8 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Thanks Chris!
871 July 11, 2021 8:11 pm
Re: NASTE Over 50 Class Racing (8 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Yes, those are the current rules. Sorry I didn't post them here.
They're pretty basic. If you have an old slot car from the '60's with either a 36D motor or older motor, and it is not scratchbuilt it is probably legal.
872 July 11, 2021 4:47 pm
Topic: NASTE Over 50 Class Racing at Inslot's Checkered Flag Raceway (3 replies, posted in NASTE)
For anyone interested in putting together a vintage 1/24 car for the NASTE Over 50 Class, I was digging through stuff today and set aside about 8 semi complete Classic sidewinder chassis with 36D motors. Most need some minor assembly and/or restoration in the way of missing parts. Of course I have all the necessary parts, just not at my fingertips yet...........Anyway, first come first serve.
The reason for this is I plan to do some casual racing here at Inslot's Checkered Flag for this class of cars. I am aware some people do not have any cars legal for this class, and I am also aware some people don't car to race these cars. For those that are interested in racing them I can probably help you out with equipment and parts, or Ebay is a really good source.
Check over/read the rules before you venture down this road! Ask questions if you are unsure! The current rules are pretty vague and I plan to update the rules as things progress. The main things to remember: the motors must be early technology, 36D can motors (no other can type motors), or early non-can motors like Pitmans, K&B, Kemtron (padlock motors), etc. The chassis must be early production type, i.e. Classic, Garvic, Revell, Monogram, etc., or chassis than were available as a bolt together kit, i.e. Dynamic pot metal. The hardbody cars such as Cox, Monogram, AMT, and Revell are also legal as long as they use a 36D motor.
My goal is to update the rules to make them a little more specific but I would like to see how things progress first. =====Bill
873 July 11, 2021 4:45 pm
Topic: NASTE Over 50 Class Racing (8 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
For anyone interested in putting together a vintage 1/24 car for the NASTE Over 50 Class, I was digging through stuff today and set aside about 8 semi complete Classic sidewinder chassis with 36D motors. Most need some minor assembly and/or restoration in the way of missing parts. Of course I have all the necessary parts, just not at my fingertips yet...........Anyway, first come first serve.
The reason for this is I plan to do some casual racing here at Inslot's Checkered Flag for this class of cars. I am aware some people do not have any cars legal for this class, and I am also aware some people don't car to race these cars. For those that are interested in racing them I can probably help you out with equipment and parts, or Ebay is a really good source.
Check over/read the rules before you venture down this road! Ask questions if you are unsure! The current rules are pretty vague and I plan to update the rules as things progress. The main things to remember: the motors must be early technology, 36D can motors (no other can type motors), or early non-can motors like Pitmans, K&B, Kemtron (padlock motors), etc. The chassis must be early production type, i.e. Classic, Garvic, Revell, Monogram, etc., or chassis than were available as a bolt together kit, i.e. Dynamic pot metal. The hardbody cars such as Cox, Monogram, AMT, and Revell are also legal as long as they use a 36D motor.
My goal is to update the rules to make them a little more specific but I would like to see how things progress first. =====Bill
874 July 9, 2021 6:30 pm
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
I was thinking of something like that Doc, but I wasn't sure what might be a good class for this track.
875 July 7, 2021 1:05 pm
Re: MONDAY OT (Open Track) (140 replies, posted in InSlot's Checkered Flag Raceway)
Thanks Doc, and you're welcome!
The Monday open track days have been fun! Interest is growing to do some actual racing along with the open track session. Here is what I am proposing and this next Monday we can work on the details. After discussing this some more with John Gill, what I would like to try is running a couple short lap based races in between open track sessions during the day/evening. For example: doors open at 1:00 PM. At 3:00 PM we run a short race for those in attendance that wish to participate. Depending how many people participate, I'm thinking one hour max to complete the race. Then at 6:00 PM we run a second race, same scenario with a different class (or it could be the same class).
When we first started the NASTE races we raced 10 lap heat races in a work up type format, leading into a 20 lap mains. The racing program moved along very quickly and sit outs were short. I'd like to try something similar along these lines. So for this next Monday (July 12th) I am adding to the Monday night schedule on the calendar a 3:00 PM race for the NASTE Over 50 Class, and a Flexi Class race at 6:00 PM.
A note in regards to the Flexi Class race scheduled for 6:00 PM. Bob Nakamura has a 4.5" Flexi NASCAR race scheduled August 14th. I don't know if everyone has a 4.5" flexi type chassis, so for the Monday Open Track Days I am allowing any flexi-type chassis to compete. We will loosely follow the rules for the 4.5" NASCAR Flexi Class (http://naste.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1259) with the exception to allow 4" wheelbase chassis and other body types.
These short races will give us some opportunities to race cars we don't race often, and give us a chance to dial in cars for upcoming races. I'm open to suggestions but this is what we will start with for this next Monday. =======Bill