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4-hours an ENDURO?

I think you've left out the '2' as in 24 hours....

I've done that once in my life. Four lanes, three drivers per team, sleeping bags in the hallway, fix your car when it breaks. I forgot how the lane rotation was set up, but it might have been just four stops to change lanes so six consecutive hours per lane.

And Monte for his weight distribution instructions. How could you forget Monte, Randy?

Oh, SNAP!

;-)

Oh, I forgot. We'd still drop three races for seasonal point totals.

Monte, we could use this scoring system above and either figure out what the scores would have been for the first two races but that is hard to do since not everybody was there OR we could take this system and for the remainder of the season treat the points as laps and score points as normal. So racer B with 27 points won the night and scored 20 season points, racer A with 26 points came in second and scored 18 points for the season. We'd have a lot of ties but it doesn't devalue the points of the first two races.

Bill, I didn't use the word "enduro", nor did I say we would use the fuel option. I followed Monte's lead in having a longer timed race with a driver change in the middle. I disagree with you that it is all relative and prone to inflation. As you can see there are a lot of drivers between 10~13 which makes for tight racing. Those racers probably never had a shot at the top, but now there are a lot closer together than in an individual race. Call it inflation but it makes certain subgroups more competitive amongst each other.

Racer      Season points         Normalized points (Monte)           Individual race (Bill)                 Normalized points gained/lost by team effort
====     =========         =================          =============                 =============================
A             9 + 17 = 26           18                                              20                                          -2
B             7 + 20 = 27           20                                              18                                          2
C             6 + 18 = 24           17                                              17                                          0
D             5 + 16 = 21           16                                              16                                          0
E             4 + 15 = 19            15                                              15                                         0
F             3 + 13 = 16            14                                               14                                         0
G             2 + 14 = 16           14                                               13                                         1
H             1 + 12 = 13           12                                               12                                         0
I              0 + 11 = 11            8                                                11                                         -3
J              0 + 11 = 11            8                                                 10                                         -2
K             -1 + 12 = 11           8                                                   9                                        -1
L             -2 + 14 = 12           10                                                 8                                         2
M             -3 + 13 = 10          3                                                   7                                         -4
N             -4 + 15 = 11           8                                                 6                                          2
O             -5 + 16 = 11           8                                                 5                                          3
P             -6 + 18 = 12           10                                               4                                          6
Q            -7 + 20 = 13            12                                              3                                          9
R            -9 + 17 = 8              2                                                2                                          0

Since I got pulled into this I'd better explain what I meant.

The current format seeds on the first race and creates teams for the second and third race based on the rankings of the first race. After that, it's rinse and repeat. What I see as a minor problem with that is that we cannot be sure that the exact same racers from the first race will show at the second and third, thus creating somewhat of a discrepancy as the circumstances between races can vary (wildly). By making snapshots of the conditions each race night this will be mitigated. For instance, my car ran way better the first race than the second race.

This will also solve the problem of Randy having to seed new drivers based on their performance during a couple of minutes of practice. I agree with Monte that unseeded racers should be put exactly in the middle of the pack, although if John Gill and John Bostic show up as new racers one night we probably don't stand a chance if they get to team up. ;-)

I agree with Monte that we do the timed segments rather than fuel management. It will give the faster team member a good chance to make up for the slower team member while each will run the exact same time for their $2. I noticed that Byron's team member practically did not use any fuel at all in their first heat forcing them to violate the "short change" rule Randy had mentioned before the start of the race. Had they followed that rule Byron probably never would have run that night.

I liked the team format and I think both Jim and I got a good relationship going but if we are supposed to cross-pollinate  and make new friends in the club we should re-team every race. Bill, I second Monte in denying you a life-time match up with Art. ;-)

Perhaps we can do the following. Each night we start off with two short heats (2~2.5 minutes) as individual qualifying laps. Some software has qualifying rounds already available. We then seed based on the best result of the two heats and run a longer (say five times the qualifying heat (10~12.5 minutes)) team race with a fixed driver swap point halfway through the race. We would award 'pole' points to fast qualifiers (to prevent sand bagging) and regular race points for the team race. A driver's score for the night is the sum of 'pole' points and race points and the seasonal score will be best 8 out of 11 races.

Here's my suggestion for 'Pole' points. Once we tally the qualifying scores and determine seeding for the night the racer (odd number of contestants) or racers (even number of contestants) are awarded 0 points. From there each better racer scores positive one point going up with number one (pole position) scoring one bonus point. Each worse racer scores negative one point going down with the last racer (the tail gater) scoring one additional 'bad' point. This way, the teams all start the team race with a net zero balance but it will prevent sand bagging as the 'pole' points can help or hurt you.

I guess it's more than $0.02 but everybody is entitled to *MY* opinion. ;-)

I guess this post says it all.

http://www.slotcarillustrated.com/porta … stcount=14

I'll check the fit of a Ninco (I think I have one Ninco car) or the Universal Guide from Slot-It. I should have one of those in my HRS chassis.

I also tried to reuse the blue Scalextric guide flags as they are made from a better type of plastic and screw it in because the blue ones are prone to pop out if not secured. Alas, I didn't have the right screw and the blue flag popped out after the screw flew out on the track.

I'll keep you posted....

Something like this would have been great. I think the price is a fluke. Most of the time you will have to pay (a lot) more for these.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … AA:US:1123

From what I know the guy who wrote Tracker 2000 stopped development on it, doesn't want to make the source code available in the public domain so someone else can run with it, and also feels like he can't do it to his previous paying customers to make the program in its final version available. So either you find someone willing to part with it or a bootleg copy (did I say that?) or else use one of the free slot car track design programs.

See the gear charts for the Slot-It cars under the links section of this website.

http://www.naste.org/files/gear_ratio.pdf