Goose wrote:

Chris: with regards to; "Valances and other bodywork may be separated from the chassis" a modification to the car, and thus moving away from the "RTR" car concept of the class?


Yeah but...

I've always felt compelled to have the body be the body and the chassis be the chassis.  I know Scaley is fond of doing this with their cars and figured it might be a good option if we wanted to have them competitive with Fly's (maybe). 

If this was a dictatorship, I'd allow it but it's open for discussion.  I personally think it's quite comparable to chassis clearancing- it's done to get the body to float effectively.  If we're going to do one, I think we should allow the other.  Otherwise I'd say we only grind to allow weight to fit in.

Are you not in favor Goose?

It has been a long time since I seriously tried to tune a Fly but I think the axle dia's are the same and the wheels should slip on just as well as they do to a Fly axle.  I will see if I have one to monkey around with this weekend.

I agree a full axle assembly may be problematic to locate for replacement- may be more cost effective to just find another car and swap in/out the parts needed.

For the weight, I am fine specifying it needs to go inside, but I do remember that some of these cars were stuffed with interior detail that it was tough to find space to stick it.

Any discussion about the valence allowance?  I think it's a valid option for those scaley cars.

Regarding the Sloters, I did think about them too as I thought they were related in some manner.  The only one I have has a motor which is SERIOUSLY peppy and doesn't fit the intent of the class.  If they are appropriately motored and don't have a significant competitive advantage (not podded, etc...), I am ok to write them in if the general consensus agrees.

CK

I took a quick break and wrote something up.  What do you think?:

Draft rules package for the new "Le Mans Classics" category:

Except for the following allowances, car should be box stock.  Specifically this means-

  • Stock motor

  • Stock wheels

  • Stock wheel wells (may not be altered)

The allowances-

  • Traction magnet must be removed

  • Any rubber/urethane tires may be used

  • Tires may be glued and trued on the wheels

  • Guide and braid are free to replace/modify

  • Guide may be shimmed to appropriate depth for track

  • Grinding to fit (lead, brass, etc...) weight in is acceptable.  Grinding to remove weight is not.

  • Front stub axles may be replaced with a single, solid axle holding the stock front wheels

  • Swapping gears is allowed provided it is for the identical stock ratio

  • It is permitted to glue bearings into the chassis

  • It is permitted to apply glue inside bearings to eliminate slop of oversize bearings

  • Chassis may be filed along its perimeter for float, but do not remove more than 1/16" of material.

If it's not mentioned, you can't do it.

The class would be broken into two categories- front vs rear motored (inline counts as REAR motored; front motor has a driveshaft between the motor output and the pinion).  Any Le Mans competitors modeled by Scalextric or Fly which ran in the 1971 event or prior are eligible for competition.

Additional proposals for your consideration:

  • Valances and other bodywork may be separated from the chassis and attached to the body provided it maintains the original profiles, features, proportions, and contours of the model.

  • Weight affixed to the outside of the chassis is permitted only if it does not risk contact with the track power

  • BNOVA and similar guide repair components are acceptable for repairing existing cars but not as a tuning option

Discuss.....

wb0s wrote:

I wouldn't mind using this class as a replacement for the GT Class.

I would cry...  The Classics and GT classes are my favorites (aside from the BRM's) and I would hate to see GT disappear.  I am very glad to see more interest in the classic era stuff, even if it is slower and only minimal mods are allowed.

wb0s wrote:

This is starting to look a lot like our Trans Am Class.............

Except it will actually be slower.

kidvolt wrote:

Slot.It makes a kit for just this purpose.  Bushings, wheels, axles, gears.  highly recommended.

Stock wheels though....

Also- it's been a LONG time since I put effort into a Fly car but can the axle be harvested once the gear is off?  Are the axles knurled for the gear?

It may make sense to also allow a new axle to be used as well, but stock plastic wheels need to go back on it...

So if I'm hearing this correctly, add the following to the rules outlined initially:

Solid front axle mod - OK
Gear swap for identical ratio - OK
Glue bearings into chassis - OK
Glue inside bearings to eliminate slop - OK
Chassis filing for float (1/16" max?)- OK

Does that capture all the intents?  I will write up something more scholarly later for the rules thread.

As for replacing vs adding the class and how to schedule its running, my personal opinion is to ADD it as its own stand alone category and I would definitely like to see it run at Bill's and Al's.  Until we build a critical mass, it may be easiest to run it as part of the current classics category- or we may have enough entries to start it off on its own immediately.

Thoughts?

CK

A moment of quiet time between BRM heats at Al's this past Thurs night.  The astute observer may notice Mr Stan Smith at his THIRD Odd Thurs- IN A ROW!!!!!!  It's been great to see him on a bi-weekly basis instead of the semi-annual cadence up in Tacoma.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FZsKl1gf8XQrUquxPJi-dYl8r6-LjsiP3x6xvAdzNi2S7ADZg6AqwNaDTFMUp1b786l-n3q4iYn_Ifx811vTZeIi_L8qFtjMj61Sgg6aVm14MruUvNUZSbjyPuc47jv7ve4K3oc2CFTN6RmH_UtxDDbQYWx1PryvOIAhObEd-FqCD4IYaF4J4bHTKYaNrTJx2Sfy1zrgm9LtrOp2zQYFt5vkmDkFpN-iTOQ7MT0nNZw2wcq-oDopu5bvONZVemjDiz7V8-lHkWB6IzP2NXq3Vz5E81A8EUcwdykTKnMwvlI6vJxNYKCgQhPHdMawvPADDg5R9s10-G3VaB5qCbaKoeRDLEn0ldlCrMAo_EhpghdpNmLi6DHlPY8rpDwtUfXJ3QyF1rsBK4TbBp-w4AyMOqiH4XcIgf_9Gz3Msf5ovm07Bv92lrW_8jgYvOWMTbGQtCVCQvxYQRN0rmZQUG5BtNMCoyqdTzfHww-t62mwHJD29J1jQvyw25fxNQD3y5XhFWOkRBh3QthYwBNc8aSx3LCRATLqhAuOl8iECZfShNMYOsX2oUh0IaHA0161OrbnkNW0xw=w1698-h955-no
Stan, John, Al, Goose, Mitch

I was indeed a great time.  Thanks for a fun night Al!  The track is breaking in nicely.

Chris

536

(19 replies, posted in Track)

I was glad to have survived the classics, GT, and 50's classes too!!!  It was a fun night though, thanks Al!

Chris

537

(4 replies, posted in Penguin Point Raceway)

wb0s wrote:

Even the worst ones were probably better than anything I've put together! Thanks!

Come on Bill, set the hurdle a little higher!

Also, this didn't happen without pics!

538

(5 replies, posted in Too Bad Motorplex)

Happy birthday?  And I missed it? 

Happy birthday dude.  Look forward to swapping paint... I mean racing soon!

wb0s wrote:

Below is an illustration of Goose at the last race:

http://www.naste.org/members/bill/controllerjoke.jpg


Man, too bad I missed the action.

Not...

I have a Tire Razor and think it does just fine.  Is it AWESOME???  I don't know.  Does it do a decent job if you tend to it?  Sure.

Is it the only one I've ever used so I have no basis for comparison?  Yep.

Glad I could help!

Emailed you.

542

(5 replies, posted in Cars)

wb0s wrote:

Maybe I'll start keeping records of track temp for races?


Yeah.  I don't think you have enough to do yet...

Don't let my other cars see these...  They'll get jealous!

CK

wb0s wrote:

...I would be lost without her...

Empirical data demonstrates that you're lost sometimes even with her.

Thanks for another stellar night of racing Bill!  It was indeed a good debut run for my new classic GT40 (was it 25 breakout laps?) and a good, impressively clean run for everyone in BRM's.  I was bummed to have my Cobra-bodied Cox DNF in the >50's but have addressed it now and it will hopefully be back and better than ever.  I have some work to do with my Trans Am car too, but hope to have something worked out for the next round.  I'm glad you enjoyed the BRM classics as well, they are great lookers and once we reach a critical mass of people who have them, I think we should stick them in the class rotation as well.

I am really looking forward to checking out Al's new track for the next Odd Thursday.  Time to get some rubber on it!

Thanks again!
Chris

546

(19 replies, posted in Track)

Wow!!!  Even my wife thinks that looks awesome!!!  Can't wait to get some rubber down on it.

Looks great Al (and Mitch).

Chris

As always, thanks for an entertaining evening Bill.  It was definitely a fun one for me as well, even with the good-natured deterioration of the BRM spectacle.  It was an impressive debut for my new GT class Nissan and a reasonable night for my completely undeveloped CanAm car.  When I can't make an Odd Thurs, I really miss it!  Looking forward to spending a little more time with those cars and getting a little more speed out of them.

I eventually will get back to running and tuning at my house on a regular basis, and then hosting the circus as well.  Until then, I will be very happy to drive into turn 1 side by side at Too Bad.

Until the next Odd Thurs!

CK

The unofficial NASTE entry for this year's Tacoma 24h was Team Oregon Donors, comprised of John Fisher, Stan Smith, Monte Saager, and me.  We had a great time at the event and did well with a top 10 finish (although truth be told, there were only 9 teams entered).  We ended up pulling off a a modest 7th, only 31 laps out of 6th, which would clearly have been a much more desirable finishing position.  Try as we might, we just couldn't close the gap to the PSSRA team in the end.

This year, Team BRM took the top step of the podium, with locals STP (Jeff and Colin Gartner, Barry Something, Brett Harrison & Scott "Monquispot" M) coming in second.  Narrowly missing out on that second step of the podium were The Energeezers, mostly from BC (Darren Morris, Alwyn Something- no relation to Barry, Gord Heath and ME!), came in third.  Two more local teams came in next- Team Brumos lead by John Powers, and Team EMSA lead by Pat Clifton, claiming fourth and fifth ahead of PSSRA and us.  The Piper-Attwood team came in next (eighth), lead by Alan himself, and rounding out the field in ninth was a family based team lead by Eddie and Jackie, who'd never run a slot car race before but still managed to do a great job keeping the car running.

Most every team had motor issues, some electing to change them out and some soldiering on bleeding.  Starting with the one which came in the car, we proceeded to remove and install an additional FOUR more for a total of- count them(!)- five motors.  We weren't the worst though.  Alan's team ran through SIX of them...  So yeah, bad batch of motors.  They had a number of them cut apart before the end of the race for a little failure analysis and will be paying a call/visit to the manufacturer.  The refreshing part is that Alan is standing behind his offerings and will be refunding or crediting back the cost of the motors.  Class act.

The motor we finished on was manufactured from a different batch.  Alan handed them out late in the race.  I wasn't sure it'd be worth changing but we really had little to lose, so we did.  Happily, it was a strong runner, and with WAY less time spent in the pits than last year, we were actually able to get out and pull some ground back on other teams.  Just not enough after 5 motor changes, although I was pretty quick with them after the first 2 or three...

It still is a bummer that mechanical woes so strongly influenced the results of the event, but it was still a very good time.  With fewer teams entered, it wasn't a NASCAR experience in the turns and there was a decent chance of you car surviving any given off (there were many).  Our car picked up its share of scars but is returning home in MUCH better shape than the McLaren of last year.

For next year, I would like to see at least 5 people on the team.  Start marking your calendars now- probably the second week of November if it's anything like the prior two years.  It's a good time!

In closing, I must tip my hat to my colleagues for covering the marshalling duties while I did double duty on the Energeezers.  It's not glamorous to marshal, especially for an hour at a time in the wee hours of the morning, but Stan, John, and Monte were absolute troopers to support my addiction.  Thanks for enabling me!

I ended up not taking many pics, and the ones I did get were on my cell phone, so they're not that good.  I will take a couple of the car when I finally get unpacked but here are the post-practice/pre-start condition (note the patina already taking shape), an extremely blurry action shots to prove it moves, and a zoom in on the monitor at the end of the circus, showing us 31 laps out of 6th after 9,841 laps of racing.

Post-practice/Pre-start:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2nlBESh5_zwPnXl6mIQi_8_Q6aTn6Murx6LSPqrt7SMAz4pAKQPeRz3F81Kv0eH7Gr0A0yPOIKh4hZiNId-7Ao6f-O1WJfYbVejTvm5VXLPw_9lq7e4Nb6N8CAtE-E_NAwJKz3clGafVyfngbYTCj9mAod1pa8CZkGf5d-JtwQdplf2_Yl0NsDPNmtWJcUhagFQpiiIWjSGkHStMDoxiLKaYn_k8QGS2Nt2BP_vLwNEVuufwVfNpVCQHXCJtQaY8JePm-SRexPTkAuj6cprWzKOla0hGccx5PgLxpvObq0vhWEi5MAqOCUKmS5qBvdNGCOEpwcTUFLdGU5061GQihY_oNMrBopO1LVTamFxGRatX6S9plLpQN9LPwr0zo00HL_POhxdjUCO3f0iW0LMcJk1wq6NfEmz9qBg9tiegEkBxvLTclG4eihNpmoHynxE0m-NN76w1hbK90aSkSIS_6RhRBOdb5rPxpzshX6KZJwgJOQIZurE2fNO2aKVqJ1myfMNhRt7EdDca4YgdMNV3AkIULAe7eewqRzxRvEepy4JT=w1698-h955-no

IN MOTION!!!:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dVbnbbAiDHryDU5tpqO4YjGWO6HI93V76jDnU-tOxRnUToidzxe5kMllVZfni3TFdh7n98DC4GDLgnW9Vc1ELUdi9HuDA5LXNKJOuM3CPukPJRVt6jLDM8bK2Cr2jpPFQ8SAFMKf1fCeI0gyjB9NPlqnOznQE6wnFL5zeVqSN6-sfTPRl1fTzBZnPZifmMaN1nS_Dx2c-bVedRKJlqaU9GqmGs7Rwocrov2py9L7pV6aAs1A9-CXbiBJqaQr6288tiXYr8-3OL6sGXMRsYpuArkI3hbgl1yiL2uUIX8BepJ3slICp9bNfccpA6TGbFvFwtq-RUH6EARcLY1iH6AU_YctAgKe191BunVf7ElhYOx7HFsslWjKBRgT45pXxuTHfqnYg0D8lZZNemsvhbbQDcTs_t2FOAk6QZZbqQhfrGm4_KPSJjOV870RXScJeUCg533C3IIacEzNWowwPpFOYlWql1kjeBEWuvJENrauocHV2iy58IUrWmLgQw0jMZL_fqD4RXLDSbpHyFYNv7XDf2v-tW3iBBSA1m9Pitv7OUVC=w1698-h955-no

The scoreboard:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--tBu27vpSrg/VkmZoUoNz6I/AAAAAAAAX8g/x7rVyTq8YdI/s1280-Ic42/20151115_120140.jpg

It was a great time and gets better as the memories of failing motors fade.  Put this on your calendar for next year, you won't regret it.
Chris

549

(17 replies, posted in NASTE)

Had a great time and did well with a top 10 finish (there were 9 teams entered).  Your humble NASTE team (The Oregon Donors) finished a modest 7th, only 31 laps out of 6th, which would have been a much more desirable finishing position.  Try as we might, we just couldn't close the gap to the PSSRA team in the end.

This year, Team BRM took the top step of the podium, with locals STP (Jeff and Colin Gartner, Barry Something, Brett Harrison & Scott "Monquispot" M) coming in second.  Narrowly missing out on that second step of the podium were The Energeezers, mostly from BC (Darren Morris, Alwyn Something- no relation to Barry, Gord Heath and ME!), came in third.  Two more local teams came in next- Team Brumos lead by John Powers, and Team EMSA lead by Pat Clifton, claiming fourth and fifth ahead of PSSRA and us.  The Piper-Attwood team came in next (eighth), lead by Alan himself, and rounding out the field in ninth was a family based team lead by Eddie and Jackie, who'd never run a slot car race before but still managed to do a great job keeping the car running.

Most every team had motor issues, some electing to change them out and some soldiering on bleeding.  Starting with the one which came in the car, we proceeded to remove and install an additional FOUR more for a total of- count them(!)- five motors.  We weren't the worst though.  Alan's team ran through SIX of them...  So yeah, bad batch of motors.  They had a number of them cut apart before the end of the race for a little failure analysis and will be paying a call/visit to the manufacturer.  The refreshing part is that Alan is standing behind his offerings and will be refunding or crediting back the cost of the motors.  Class act. 

The motor we finished on was manufactured from a different batch.  Alan handed them out late in the race.  I wasn't sure it'd be worth changing but we really had little to lose, so we did.  Happily, it was a strong runner, and with WAY less time spent in the pits than last year, we were actually able to get out and pull some ground back on other teams.  Just not enough after 5 motor changes, although I was pretty quick with them after the first 2 or three...

It still is a bummer that mechanical woes so strongly influenced the results of the event, but it was still a very good time.  With fewer teams entered, it wasn't a NASCAR experience in the turns and there was a decent chance of you car surviving any given off (there were many).  Our car picked up its share of scars but is returning home in MUCH better shape than the McLaren of last year.

For next year, I would like to see at least 5 people on the team.  Start marking your calendars now- probably the second week of November if it's anything like the prior two years.  It's a good time!

In closing, I must tip my hat to my colleagues for covering the marshalling duties while I did double duty on the Energeezers.  It's not glamorous to marshal, especially for an hour at a time in the wee hours of the morning, but Stan, John, and Monte were absolute troopers to support my addiction.  Thanks for enabling me!

I ended up not taking many pics, and the ones I did get were on my cell phone, so they're not that good.  I will take a couple of the car when I finally get unpacked but here are the post-practice/pre-start condition (note the patina already taking shape), an extremely blurry action shots to prove it moves, and a zoom in on the monitor at the end of the circus, showing us 31 laps out of 6th after 9,841 laps of racing.

Post-practice/Pre-start:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2nlBESh5_zwPnXl6mIQi_8_Q6aTn6Murx6LSPqrt7SMAz4pAKQPeRz3F81Kv0eH7Gr0A0yPOIKh4hZiNId-7Ao6f-O1WJfYbVejTvm5VXLPw_9lq7e4Nb6N8CAtE-E_NAwJKz3clGafVyfngbYTCj9mAod1pa8CZkGf5d-JtwQdplf2_Yl0NsDPNmtWJcUhagFQpiiIWjSGkHStMDoxiLKaYn_k8QGS2Nt2BP_vLwNEVuufwVfNpVCQHXCJtQaY8JePm-SRexPTkAuj6cprWzKOla0hGccx5PgLxpvObq0vhWEi5MAqOCUKmS5qBvdNGCOEpwcTUFLdGU5061GQihY_oNMrBopO1LVTamFxGRatX6S9plLpQN9LPwr0zo00HL_POhxdjUCO3f0iW0LMcJk1wq6NfEmz9qBg9tiegEkBxvLTclG4eihNpmoHynxE0m-NN76w1hbK90aSkSIS_6RhRBOdb5rPxpzshX6KZJwgJOQIZurE2fNO2aKVqJ1myfMNhRt7EdDca4YgdMNV3AkIULAe7eewqRzxRvEepy4JT=w1698-h955-no

IN MOTION!!!:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dVbnbbAiDHryDU5tpqO4YjGWO6HI93V76jDnU-tOxRnUToidzxe5kMllVZfni3TFdh7n98DC4GDLgnW9Vc1ELUdi9HuDA5LXNKJOuM3CPukPJRVt6jLDM8bK2Cr2jpPFQ8SAFMKf1fCeI0gyjB9NPlqnOznQE6wnFL5zeVqSN6-sfTPRl1fTzBZnPZifmMaN1nS_Dx2c-bVedRKJlqaU9GqmGs7Rwocrov2py9L7pV6aAs1A9-CXbiBJqaQr6288tiXYr8-3OL6sGXMRsYpuArkI3hbgl1yiL2uUIX8BepJ3slICp9bNfccpA6TGbFvFwtq-RUH6EARcLY1iH6AU_YctAgKe191BunVf7ElhYOx7HFsslWjKBRgT45pXxuTHfqnYg0D8lZZNemsvhbbQDcTs_t2FOAk6QZZbqQhfrGm4_KPSJjOV870RXScJeUCg533C3IIacEzNWowwPpFOYlWql1kjeBEWuvJENrauocHV2iy58IUrWmLgQw0jMZL_fqD4RXLDSbpHyFYNv7XDf2v-tW3iBBSA1m9Pitv7OUVC=w1698-h955-no

The scoreboard:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--tBu27vpSrg/VkmZoUoNz6I/AAAAAAAAX8g/x7rVyTq8YdI/s1280-Ic42/20151115_120140.jpg

It was a great time and gets better as the memories of failing motors fade.  Put this on your calendar for next year, you won't regret it.

Chris

And I'll echo Rico...  THANKS Bill for a fantastic night of racing!  I thoroughly enjoy our Thurs evenings and appreciate the role of gracious host which you play, facilitating some very competitive racing.

And what great racing it is.  I was feeling good about my Trans  Am run during the race and had a great battle in the heats with Rico (I think that was him?), only to find out that even though I was only 1.4 laps from first, I was in SIXTH place!!  There was .3 laps between 3rd and 6th!!  We've got something going right here- I love the competitiveness of our classes.

I promise I'll keep the front end on the GT for the next 50's race, that car was hooked up and rocking.

Thanks again for the munchies and the great racing!

Chris