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I will actually miss this Thurs but intend on making the following and will be bringing a box of Flys with me. 

Chris

Funny you mention this...  I was also thinking the same regarding some of the similar era Carrera cars.  They would likely require a motor swap but I thought they'd fit in well with the spirit of the class as well.

My thought on the Mono-vell cars is that they seem to have a fairly stout motor, even if it is a slim can (am I think of the right ones?).  We'd have to do some comparisons, but I like the idea.

The thing I am keeping in mind as the goal for the class is:

"good looking, well-tuned, fun handling, slow-motored cars from the glory days of sports car racing that look as good as they go"

As that plays out in the rules, I am very open to the MRRC Cobras, the Carrera C- and D-types, etc...  Just need to make sure they are compatible with the Scaley/Fly baseline.

I know this is expanding the class pretty openly, but as Mitch points out- I imagine we all have some cars that have stayed on the shelf because they'll never cut it in the Classics or Classics 2 category but you'd like to run them.  This might give them a home, so I'm open to trying them all to see how they fit in.

If someone who has one (Mitch?) wouldn't mind putting some effort into setting one up so we can compare, I think that'd be a great start.

I've heard no violent objections to the option of replacing the rear axle, wheels, tires, gears at this point.  Any other opinions out there?

Currently still up for discussion.  I am hoping we get to a consensus shortly but I am leaning toward permitting it.

I am going to breathe a little life back into this thread.  The current rules package proposal:

Except for the following allowances, car should be box stock.  Specifically this means-

• Stock motor

• Stock wheel wells (may not be altered)

The allowances-

• Traction magnet must be removed

• Any rubber/urethane tires may be used

• Tires may be glued and trued on the wheels

• Guide and braid are free to replace/modify

• Guide may be shimmed to appropriate depth for track

• Grinding to fit (lead, brass, etc...) weight in is acceptable.  Grinding to remove weight is not.

• Front stub axles may be replaced with a single, solid axle holding the stock front wheels

• Swapping gears is allowed provided it is for the identical stock ratio (pitch may be different)

• It is permitted to glue bearings into the chassis

• It is permitted to glue the motor into the chassis

• It is permitted to apply glue inside bearings to eliminate slop of oversize bearings

• Chassis may be filed along its perimeter for float, but do not remove more than 1/16" of material.

• Valances and other bodywork may be separated from the chassis and attached to the body provided it maintains the original profiles, features, proportions, and contours of the model.

• BNOVA and similar guide repair components are acceptable for repairing existing cars but not as a tuning option

• If it's not mentioned, you can't do it.

The class would be broken into two categories- front vs rear motored (inline counts as REAR motored; front motor has a driveshaft between the motor output and the pinion).  Any Le Mans competitors modeled by Scalextric or Fly which ran in the 1971 event or prior are eligible for competition.

Regarding wheel/axle replacements, I am inclined to allow it based on knowing that we will inevitably break them.  The stipulation is that the original wheel needs to be used to create inserts (or accurate replacements from other sources used) and the replacement wheel(s) and tire(s) need to be the same dimensions.  The objective is to retain the appropriate look for the car in period.

Philosophically, I think it's ok to have this class drift to a tuner class instead of RTR.  I fear if we don't allow the tuning options, there may be a dominant chassis but more specifically, I think we'll all get a little frustrated at running ill-handling cars at slow speeds.  I want there to be options on the table for improving the drivability while remaining a slow and pretty class, which should be guaranteed by sticking with the stock motor/chassis.  The wheels/gears/axles/tires options make enjoying the cars a possibility.

Thoughts?

CK

Someone I have traded with on SCI has a number of cars which fit this bill for sale.  If anyone is interested, they are:

Scaley:
GT40 #95 White w/black hood, green nose
GT40 Gulf #1
GT40 #3 red
GT40 #4 gold
GT40 #11 Dk blue w/oragne stripe
D-Jag #60 White w/blue stripe
D-Jag #518 Blue

$35 each 1-2 cars shipped, $30 3-4 each cars shipped, $25 each for 5 shipped

Fly

Ferrari 512, silver no tampo
Ferrari 512 black, Playboy
GT40 #6 Blue w/yellow noce
GT40 #98 White w/blk hood
GT40 #130 White w/blue stripe
Ferrari 250 GTO #112 Blue w/yellow stripe

1-2 cars $40 each shipped, 3-4 cars, $35 each shipped, 5+ cars, $30 each shipped

Anyone interested in any of them?

Mitch- I picked up a used 906 with NSR tires on the rear.  IT IS AWESOME!  Unfortunately, it has a Slot.It white motor in it so it's ineligible, but the chassis handles the power very well.  With a stock motor it would be SUPER stable.

250GTO, 250LM, 917, and 512 tires would be helpful as well.  I can't seem to find anything which fits that rim.  While you're at it, a T-70 tire maybe too.

Depending on how the Scaley's run- some 300SL/SLR, D- and C-Type...  If people have them.

I did locate a few more of my Scaley GT40's and couldn't get them to run within half a second of the Fly's.  I would be curious to try their 250GTO and see if it gets better results.  The 512's and 917's I have seem to run pretty well too, but I don't seem to have truly effective tires for that wheel configuration/

Here's my thing about why I would still advocate grinding for fitting in weight:  I have tried tuning one or two of these by putting weight in them.  Once I did, they didn't want to button back up nicely.  All the interior pieces leave little space to put weight.  A modest amount of grinding solves that problem.  I remember thinking that it was a shame that to get them to run well, it looked like they were bulging at the seams.  If the whole intent is to make a pleasant class out of pretty- but slow- cars, I think it would behoove us to make sure they stay pretty as we make them enjoyable to drive.

I would like to leave the door open to grind to fit the weight in and that is why.  I am fine if other chassis grinding/trimming/valence relocating is off limits.

Any objections?

RE: Scaley Vette- game on Mitch!

Yeah but...

I've always felt compelled to have the body be the body and the chassis be the chassis.  I know Scaley is fond of doing this with their cars and figured it might be a good option if we wanted to have them competitive with Fly's (maybe). 

If this was a dictatorship, I'd allow it but it's open for discussion.  I personally think it's quite comparable to chassis clearancing- it's done to get the body to float effectively.  If we're going to do one, I think we should allow the other.  Otherwise I'd say we only grind to allow weight to fit in.

Are you not in favor Goose?

I took a quick break and wrote something up.  What do you think?:

Draft rules package for the new "Le Mans Classics" category:

Except for the following allowances, car should be box stock.  Specifically this means-

• Stock motor

• Stock wheels

• Stock wheel wells (may not be altered)

The allowances-

• Traction magnet must be removed

• Any rubber/urethane tires may be used

• Tires may be glued and trued on the wheels

• Guide and braid are free to replace/modify

• Guide may be shimmed to appropriate depth for track

• Grinding to fit (lead, brass, etc...) weight in is acceptable.  Grinding to remove weight is not.

• Front stub axles may be replaced with a single, solid axle holding the stock front wheels

• Swapping gears is allowed provided it is for the identical stock ratio

• It is permitted to glue bearings into the chassis

• It is permitted to apply glue inside bearings to eliminate slop of oversize bearings

• Chassis may be filed along its perimeter for float, but do not remove more than 1/16" of material.

If it's not mentioned, you can't do it.

The class would be broken into two categories- front vs rear motored (inline counts as REAR motored; front motor has a driveshaft between the motor output and the pinion).  Any Le Mans competitors modeled by Scalextric or Fly which ran in the 1971 event or prior are eligible for competition.

Additional proposals for your consideration:

• Valances and other bodywork may be separated from the chassis and attached to the body provided it maintains the original profiles, features, proportions, and contours of the model.

• Weight affixed to the outside of the chassis is permitted only if it does not risk contact with the track power

• BNOVA and similar guide repair components are acceptable for repairing existing cars but not as a tuning option

Discuss.....

Except it will actually be slower.