That's how we end up with so many classes!!!!
I just had an offer accepted.............CRAP!!!!
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That's how we end up with so many classes!!!!
I just had an offer accepted.............CRAP!!!!
I just made an offer on this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261796252762?_t … EBIDX%3AIT
BOUGHT!
Being re'tard and all, I took a few minutes to crunch some numbers using this season's point totals. In regards to whether or not we let track owners finish points count on their own tracks, I am planning to let them count. Based on results taken from this season's totals, if it were the end of the season with their top 5 finishes counting towards their season's point total, Bryan would be in first. In either scenario, Bryan would be first. Without his win on his track he is in first by virtue of most wins in a point tie with Terry. With his win on his track counting, he beats Terry by 5 points, with Terry's win on his track counting. The only significant change in the line up would be Rico moving up to the fourth spot from the seventh spot. The top seven would consist of the same top seven no matter how you talley the points. When you start making rules in regards to who derserves points for a win, where do you draw the line. For example; Monte used to own and he built Autumn Hills. Should Rico's and his points not count if either one wins on that track? Victoria and Dorothy are both co-owners of tracks, are they exempt from winning points? What about car owners? We race on tracks where club members supply the cars. If a club member prepares and furnishes cars for the race should they be exempt from winning points? For example when it comes to racing the NASTE '55 Chevy's, I have far more experience racing them than any other member! What about racers that supply controllers for a race? Should they be exempt from winning points if they had the opportunity to race with their own controller?
Now, I'm not saying there could not be a participant bumped out by a point or two based on a track owner's win on his own track. What I am saying is when it comes to determining who the top seven NASTE racers are, regardless of how you stack the points the odds are very good that the top seven are going to be the top seven! The rules are the same for everyone. In addition, I plan to have a more equal schedule of races when it comes to number of races on tracks. I am planning on 10 races for next season, so any possibility of an advantage by winning on your own track is reduced even further. My feeling is this, anybody that makes the top seven deserves to win the championship. Barring very bad luck, the best racer will win the championship no matter how you stack the challenge!
Below is the list of how the season points totals would look if this were the end of the season, with & without track owner wins:
1st Bryan 100 points win wins on his track - 94 points without the wins on his track. Number of wins breaks tie with Terry.
2nd Terry 95 - 94
3rd Tracy 92 -92
4th Rico 90 - 82 Rico would be 7th without his win on his track counting.
5th Monte 89 1 win breaks tie with Bill - 87 Monte would be 5th based on points talleyed either way.
6th Bill 89 - 89 Bill would be 4th if track owner wins did not count.
7th Goose 83 - 83 Goose would be 6th if track owner wins did not count.
So there you have some real stats, no spread sheet report. I'm open to discussion, but I just don't see where it is really gonna matter one way or another. Personally, I like the challenge of trying to beat a racer on his own track! I say let the track owners points count!
Nice Monte!!!!.................Might look better in YELLOW!!!!!!
Yes, the link in the second post works.
Too much $$ on the Womp for me!
I must abort my plans to attend the Fray. My apologies to anyone this may inconvenience. ==========Bill
OK, I'll start this out. Just posted a bid on this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-1 … 1330954135
------------out bid, I'm done...
This topic came up at Monte's last First Sunday Race. Most all of us use Ebay to obtain at least some of our cars and parts for racing. We all talk about some of the deals we have gotten on Ebay, and even some of the things we are watching. I can't help but wonder how many times we end up bidding against each other? It seems like evrytime we start racing a new class of car, or try a new type of chassis the cost of those items seems to go up on Ebay. Is it our own group of racers driving the costs up?
So here's a thought. If there is an Ebay item you are bidding on, post it here. A link to it would be great, or at least the item/auction number. I would ask other members to please respect member's bids. There may be a time when someone is bidding on something you would really like to have. If this were the case I would hope maybe some dialog regarding the item might result in a friendly solution, financially benefitial to both sides?
Great fun at the race today! Thank you Monte & Victoria!! Monte, your Slot.it cars were awesome!!!
Victoria, congrats on kicking Monte's butt today!!!! Terrific racing!!!!
Temptation is the first step to slot car ownership!!!!!
Very true Mr. Kouba!
Ebay must be the favorite show in the "ward".....
Womp bare chassis are on only $8.00!
Just checked on PCH's site. You can get BRAND NEW Womps with bodies for $31.50!!!!!
WHAT???!!!! $50 to $60 for a WHOMP????!!!! ARE THEY NUTS????!!!!
I might have to sell mine now????!!!!!!
I now have 2 VW Womps together, VWomps we'll call 'em. Ran some laps to test different gear ratios. With a 7 tooth pinion and 31 tooth crown I ran a best lap of 9.711 seconds. With a 7 tooth and 28 crown I ran a best lap of 9.076. No surprises here, just simple math. Each car was easy to run with either gear set. Looking forward to testing on Monte's track on Sunday!
==============Bill
John, Very nice work, thanks for posting! It is great reading and viewing!!! Looking forward to seeing & hearing more!!!
P.S. what did you end up using for a windshield in your GT40 roadster?
==========Bill
OR..."BIG" "Smooth Data".......................sounds kind of nasty.........er...NASTE
Would it be "Big Smooth Data" or "Big Data Smooth" ????
Who are you referring too???
MY comment was in referrence to Monte finding a Womp car.
I personally KNOW he already has 1/24 Carrera cars - multiple examples of such!!!
Dorothy your influence on the social aspect of NASTE has resulted in nothing but improvements within the group. We have the best photo records of races that we have ever had, not to mention great movie footage! In the area of refreshments and food NASTE is second to none, and attribute a great deal of that success to you and your influence.
One thing to remember about the final race for next season and the Shoot Out for the Championship. Shoot Out day will be an all day event. There will be races held for ALL NASTE racers, not just the top seven in points. My plan for the Shoot Out Race Day includes; trophy dash races for the Novice Division, Intermediate Division, and the Point Series competitors that did not make the top seven.
As far as apologizing to me for your influence in the club's direction as opposed to my vision, I'm sorry but you can't take total responsibility for that one. I did not mean anything negative by my comment, the direction the club has taken is fine. What I meant was if the club truly was MY club, I am quite sure it would be focussed more seriously on the racing aspect of the club activities versus any social activities. The social aspect of the club is something that makes NASTE truly unique and even more fun. I can't and don't take credit for that, that is something the members have accomplished! And YES, it is a GOOD THING!
I wouldn't worry about locating a car just yet.............I may know of a source..............
I needed to revise this post as there are actually two new classes up for consideration and comment.
The first is actually Carrera 1/24 cars as proposed by Chris Kouba. Here's what Chris has to say: I would propose running non-mag with all stock parts on Paul Gage tires, but "home tuning" allowed- slop taken out of bushes, a little float allowed on the bodies, wheels trued, tires trued, the usual tips. The only thing I would say we can get creative with is the guide- they suck and we should find a better way. Braids would be allowed to be modified as well seeing as they're fairly dependent on the guide.
We would probably need to bump up the voltage as they might be a little boring at 10v, but I can wait to figure that out.
Cars that would qualify? Anything which ran post-1960 and pre-1971:
250 GTO's
330 P3's
512
906
917
Cheetahs
Corvettes
E types
GT40's ----------Chris
The second proposal:
Some of you probably saw, or even got a chance to run the VW Womp I put together as a test car in preparation for the next NASTE IROC race here at TooBad. This car seems to have stimulated some interest in these little beasts. My question is; would any of you be interested in adding Womp cars to the list of classes we race here at TooBad Motorplex on Odd Thursdays?
I understand we already have quite a few classes, but alternating the classes seems to be working out pretty well. On the plus side these Womp cars are realitively inexpensive to buy used, readily available, and the parts are inexpensive. In addition the cars are generic in terms of available bodies that can be used to change the appearance of the class. Pattos Place has many body styles available that fit the Womp chassis. If there is any interest I could be persuaded to purchase a group of bodies to better distribute the shipping cost.
Feedback?
==========Bill
Here's my last 2 bits on this.......maybe.......
Consider the series as it is now. Many times with even two or three races left, it is obvious who the winner is going to be, and sometimes the outcome is already mathmatically decided. It is also possible for a racer to win the championship without ever winning a single race. With this new system the outcome will not be decided until the final race, and there will be seven top racers with a shot. In the new system a racer WILL have to win at least one race to become champion. In contrast to NASCAR's system, NASTE's new system will make it easier for more people to stay in the hunt. Also in contrast, racers aren't eliminated by a single race's performance leading up to the final race. Will it be more difficult to win the championship? I would say yes. Your performance at that last race will have to be spot on. But isn't that a characteristic of a true champion?
Monte, Bryan, Terry, Rico, Dorothy, and Howie, thank you all for taking part in this discussion. If nothing else, next season should at least be controversial!
This is a good discussion. Rico's point is also very good. If you look at the example of this race format scenario using last years finish results, it would be a moot point as to whether the races for the track host were counted towrds their score or not. Ultimately those points would likely amount to less than five in regards to their overall total anyway. Especially when you figure 5 of the top seven were race hosts to start with. The race host's wins may have more affect on the racers lower in the points standings, but there is a pretty sharp cut off in points standings at or below the seventh place racer. Whether or not we count race host's points at their own race seems to be irrelevant. It is just like the example of a racer who only shows up for one race during a season and wins. Some would say it is unfair to the regular racers because he has taken points away from them. In reality it only amounts to one point, and he didn't take it away, he earned it. No one would have gotten an extra 20 points if they would not have showed up!
Thanks Terry. Your idea of the track owner racing his host race but points not being tallied for them is a good suggestion. The host's race could be one of the races thrown out, not counting towards their 5 race total. I think that would be do-able good alternative.
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