351

(28 replies, posted in Cars)

Weight limit = easy
Power to weight = too hard


Try it first and then see what happens = easiest!

My proposal would be to try it using stock motors (but maybe we add that we can swap any stock motors between chassis?) and use a voltage appropriate to the track, but no weight limit.  If 8.5 is "right" at Mitch's, but 9.5 is "right" at Al's, let those be the standards at those venues.  It will be interesting to tune around that.  If we need (or want) to open it up to all motors up to a certain spec off Livingston's list, so be it.  I'd like to see what happens with trying it first.

352

(28 replies, posted in Cars)

What are you specifically proposing, Monte?  Are you thinking some minimum weight limit?

That seems like it should be pretty simple to sort out.

353

(28 replies, posted in Cars)

I'm OK experimenting by location and seeing what feels right. 

Should we assemble an approved motor list?  Something where the OEM motors at 8-10V would all be comparable with any aftermarket options (so why go aftermarket, right?).  I do not have the knowledge to assemble this list but I am certain there are those in the gallery who do.

CK

354

(28 replies, posted in Cars)

Mitch58 wrote:

It came to me while driving around today that maybe we should just try to drop the voltage a volt or two for the classic sports car class, like we do for Over 50.  It would be far simpler and cheaper, and not intimidating for new racers.


BRILLIANT!!  Excellent idea Mitch, I'm on board.  Like the 50's, perhaps 9V will work?

355

(306 replies, posted in NASTE)

Mitch58 wrote:

I can't help but speculate how well brakes designed for a 20lb bicycle would stop that thing at 60mph. This time of year there are an awful lot of deer, elk, bear and even turkeys  in that area, any one of which would change the aerodynamics on that car pretty quick. And in the case of a bear even if you got stopped in time, then what?

Yes, the brakes are a bit under-spec'd for runs of this magnitude but for the derby and other mild recreational pursuits, they are more than fine.  Bikes are built to support heavier riders and the bikes themselves are actually closer to 40 lbs.  They actually did a fair job of stopping me this time (new calipers) but I wasn't confident to fully charge into the sweepers at the bottom of the course.  No one is looking for a 26" high missile coming down the road, and while watching the testing it became apparent that despite being brightly colored, they are essentially invisible on the road from either in front or behind.

The next iteration (the MkIV) will have disk brakes for both front and rear axles.  Truth be told, hardware has already been acquired to start the build, just focusing on other things currently (like getting the MkI and MkII finished).

On the wildlife end of things, I did get to see a deer (probably 2 but I was staring at the one hoping it'd go the other way) this time and two turkeys last time.  These things are super quiet on the road, and obviously, pretty fast as well.

Mitch58 wrote:

I sure does look like a lot of fun though, very smooth, and the steering looks nice and tight.

It is a BLAST!!!

It does do extremely well and I am very happy with it.  It got a little darty lower down the run with the wheel pants on it, when we had some cross wind gusts out of the trees in the open, but it was easy to correct and still pretty stable overall.  It is a blast heading down the hill with it.  I am very pleased with how it came out, especially for a first build and from scratch.

356

(306 replies, posted in NASTE)

For starters, a massive thank you to everyone who has volunteered to be a part of the Scuderia Kouba circus this year- and specifically, Jeff Burns and Beau Frazier, who along with Bill Bostic will be covering our official staffing obligations with the event organizers.  For everyone else who will be helping in the pits, etc... thanks for being willing to give up your Saturday in August!

Thanks to everyone for making it out for push testing.  I think we learned good things and the exercise was worth the effort.  I was disappointed my lightweight pushpoles didn't exactly pan out but I was glad the other one will.  It was also good to learn that the pusher can't cross the line (although we should seek confirmation on this- it made a ~2mph difference to speed at launch).  Getting the starting blocks set up was also a good accomplishment for the day.

For the crew that headed up into the hills with us, again, thank you for your time and energy.  This whole exercise makes it clear that this is not something I could do without the help of others.  It takes a village to get this idiot to the races, so thank you for your help.

As for the testing, we were investigating the differences between standard wheels, wheel disks, and wheel pants.  For the first run, the MkI had spoke wheels and the MkII had the disks.  Bill has already posted the results:

Test Run No.1
MKI 37.1 MPH - Chris
MKII 36.7 MPH - Jeff C.

For the second run, we swapped wheel sets on the front axle and saw some pretty consistent results- MkI went up ~1mph, MkII went down ~1mph:

Test Run No.2
MKI 38.0 MPH - Chris
MKII 35.6 MPH - Jeff C.

For the third run, wheels were swapped back but I put the pants on the MkI.  The MkII had a driver change and was run down the hill without its canopy on.  The MkI went up .4mph and the MkII set its new baseline

Test Run No.3
MKI 38.4 MPH - Chris
MKII 36.4 MPH - Jenny

For run 4, the MkI had a driver swap and the canopy went back on the MkII.  Jeff was able to squeeze another .7mph out of the MkI and the canopy improved the MkII's top speed by 1.4mph.

Test Run No.4
MKI 39.1 MPH - Jeff
MKII 37.8 MPH - Jenny

I wasn't aware of any changes for run #5.  Jeff eeked another .3mph out of the MkI and Jenny had another strong run as well

Test Run No.5
MKI 39.4 MPH - Jeff C.
MKII 37.5 MPH -Jenny

And the icing on the cake, on the ice cream...  14 miles of bliss!  I was able to carry the speed a little lower down the hill and managed to get a little further than last time, but there's a mild incline where we come to a stop and I couldn't clear it.  With a little more confidence in the sweepers, it may be possible to carry enough speed to clear it, but making the run to there is certainly a treasure in and of itself.

Final Mountain Run 14.6 Miles
MKI 62.3 MPH - Chris
MKII n/a - Jeff C.  (managed to leave the start without a GPS.  What?!?!???!)


The flyer was deceptively slow at this venue.  We know it's a fast entry, but the pavement at the test site, while it was smooth and unbroken from a macro perspective, was fairly rough on a micro-level and it hindered the ability of the flyer to reach its full potential.  As we saw last year, the smoother pavement at Mt Tabor will bring this sled to life though!

Hawksbill Flyer MPH - 30.7 - Jeff B.
Hawksbill Flyer 33.6 MPH - Rico
Hawksbill Flyer n/a - Dennis


So by the end of the day, we had determined our final configurations for each entry.  The MkI will go down the hill with its wheel pants on and the MkII will run with wheel disks and canopy.  If the derby was tomorrow, we'd be ready to roll!

The line up outside the Stagecoach:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D3LUV7NuRJ7VCbOXLm7qCZ07MEESOkGxfcIKaF5CSIuU193seFBmLglkCCOWz1_T25d5KBvgBwMXCKlC5n69ZvfwV-N71yhGRhqptqWoJDF_-BnhO7otqn3UiWNeag8azE5Q0sJdDDJQ2Rg--TjtRnNHfVF2uGHMUV2JyXqqlDV_aq1moFF3fYmiCI-6EdIp0gQ2m9tZgzxDNe0F7iiSU8Dbh34I3OX4BQh8UDdnab-I9S7XGWs0kxgopD50pqt7B-q5cj3zdzApUR9Tt4gbCxi9uqWKEqp-SAIXGqqnCu0mz55d-4CNkDc8AX0v7vDK0dKvyx4uKeab8TlmjaDGJD9N-jUyOI_twNOuytRcSt2ccRQThBgmC88ZM-JX5O0fmX8-wv3VPeqJz6ftsbOAOLkMQXQduSMkhiTcZRD3lz4LEvgI1ZSM6BxYX59U_piQwpTDLB6Wkp7boJqig7fI6vwTb2CLMQTrypYd-lsBL9_6rSHE9Gy-Guj9XVZmJBHLnCVNoaGNHmm0aD0k9njPia2-7S5XPO18Knf61A8dlGS79CCyB_4hWPcEvqr5x6SCutedXNTVyk3xbetDOyD4paalkySmKf3gP5YgrsF6I22FgV2fqUCA2JegZRVJ5toOxeQQuE6-kcwP4bStuwf3FApD3ILUuc7Q-iD12DqLG1QRRI=w1689-h950-no


The circus crew:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gRIsVegR_xeuYnQ8RITl_oD0g-ZL9SLGBU46_P7-iyGziHVrjj9N34j-ViUUdvdtVlqDQF4OQw-uDdmQyE-XJ3BeQxG3Ew_zqW9g8tHuVt8LpvdpNF1BuKuxBG808JDYPW7Vw-o3I59pbSAtkq1dWMoQ1IG5Ec4a3rK80XwkJ3bIF1Qo6RPbg4AM2zdqpEZ6L9vUWr5aq7srQBpcVvUxFw_6Rff4E0TK-JiXWOaDBWWjPhl9g3914ZjBNh2zhogO3C8nFxb7dFlP-mFPAoDr7DUYMs0itexMnZzzSJsU3E2zfYvIM4_fn1IdcbJgO3z6G3WwhpYsmv5v3rPLC8Dhq6fuNLq8hoihSkUOAQ73EWgEjtOGp2X62WFQP_tBy3inVIR2HMtHxHIJxSsxOV13c-icg-6ii3qt_s_OWunf6Oy2aBI2a_PIagIifDziU4R4D2PcePFjZPGjhsjW-7yJEbsmgtJrjNDTdJZIZE-HPjk8wRFntZtOgcOVor9XhXXQTyeKatSEfCfI9SOvni_HFlWFriyrti3QnF4wNrQoQnPaBC7jsek3C54jmazX8voMrfIVaMSu5maeX5BL8Q2xcEFYz828tQVNPUeAvBhvtK4y86LmcXf11fnmlRVFq03kJMv2_v5IWjw00xXrmxFDftXZDAAvU9N3LRrLsOm1vFTtQgA=w1689-h950-no
L-to-R: Michael, Chris, Bill, Dennis, Al, "Sombrero" Jimmy, Rico, Beau, Dick, Jeff C, Jenny, Jessica, Jeff B, Johnny Cash


Jeff C flying low in the MkI:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_lTdRViDuLJRgXY7WMu87wNIZF8-ErK9zhs9JZ6K0BAynXd75_BdN4n1DulfVOMU-wV3RrVW4fJx2e9-PYqrTkd5PW--B6aJmLLG347CoGrQv0t0qqh9w7YD7bXHz_l2SPSMST33_z7rx4hCd_64HSu6-HJ48BZ7qGFfIOu_mcoYwGm8JbXmDTiXQTbg1f-gLq6D74it20sCtQ5Tyb7oaBkeIws0fkx6f95BpPaiHrVGD3X0e31j4740DIDb6F-ECbUdljrg-kFanCWuq7Kpwr1NSWCCkm_RB2DyhT1mhuwrM4uKwbvhohTqYBKmwGWGIj1_zYc50y2rDWnqXZt0s0I5JnSNYrEyHhvmFpBgJweB52DoVgEGLgSX_Mm9rd1PQ7k7jp_58LoVBMSgmgPHtRCUIRdqbD9iygnd-R50hJqE2OVi9ZiDqM14Px9xOxSQMhSTWfiJVMtURe-qO5Te6BQ5FwYU6vJydveqpI1zuMAlRFs1z7m5gqBhow5I_3f5xZ_LP94RQLozH4wV99E1B8dDWgEbn_X8F37Tc2IgSGYvSpeHNS55xvXWHjSSAMNeIvuZjD8d49LdZ8kfQCenGvqGLh07JiaOXUEuL7Fz5FmvJJwrfRlhEeintB-JvDHJPff0UPAqlC4wSNXhS9li3WD1CVU_GskmKaMW2jdPmLry4pk=w1440-h637-no


I know Jeff C and Jeff B both took some video and I am looking forward to seeing some of that!

Thanks again to everyone who's been a part of this.  It'd be a lot more work and a lot less fun to have to do it without you!

Chris

He can confirm but I believe Rico's proposal was to consider the 2 GT classes independently and run them as such.  I agree that we may have complicated things beyond what's necessary with where we went in the F1 class and I don't advocate going there with these classes either.

reek455 wrote:

I just don't think a $90.00 starting/entry point is conducive to getting and keeping new people involved.

With 30s of Googling...

T-Slot: $60 white kit/$75 liveried

NSR: $53-$65 white kit/$60-$80 liveried

Full disclosure is that those are ebay auctions and need to add shipping, but at ~$10, that's still Slot.It money and shouldn't be any more of a barrier than any other brand for someone wanting to come out and play.  I say we throw them in the mix where appropriate.

Regarding the class restructure, I also like it and agree that we shouldn't ban any particular brands.  Your Classics proposal sounds like it aligns with IPS regs with the exception of allowing any driveline configuration (but I haven't read them in a while):

reek455 wrote:

...limiting all entries to [pre-]1964 and... to 14k [motors] and 7mm tires... with the pod and non-pod divisions

I like it with one motor and tire spec between both divisions and 14k is probably much more reasonable for cars of that era.

For the GT class, I am on board with the concept of splitting the eras:

reek455 wrote:

I further submit that we should split the GT class into Modern and shall we say Vintage divisions. The Vintage division could cover the years 1965-1990 or ? The vintage division could serve as the place where we could run the ThunderSlot's, NSR's, Al's Greenwood Vette and the like with some sort of motor limit. (18-20k?) and the Modern division still kind of a catch all for everything else.

I would advocate the split somewhere along the lines of pre- and post- ground effects adoption, possibly drawing the line at pre- and post-Grp C (1982).  Ideally, they should probably be lumped into 15yr-ish buckets ('65-'80, '81-'95, '96-present?) but I don't want to make this another F1 class...  If we're going to down motor them, I'd say we should be certain that it'd make a difference.  Based on that, I'd personally lean more toward the 18k than 20k.

I would like to find a way to get the modern LMP spyders into the GT mix (no roof though).  I have a Ninco BMW LMR and I've stared at the new Slot.It Audi R8's and keep wanting to pick one up, but we have no class in which to race them.  Would be nice to toss them in too.

The only downside I see to this restructure would be that for the Classic and Vintage GT, it seems like it's going to require a specific build- i.e. is there an RTR offering with appropriate motor and tire spec?  With Classics, you could buy a Ninco Vette or Jag and be competitive (at least you used to be able to...).  Is there anything out there which fits the bill or will anything run in these two classes need to have at least a new motor installed and possibly new wheels/tires?

The NASTE veterans are likely to not have any issue with this (I certainly don't), but new arrivals may need a bit of coaching and time in the barrel to understand the nuances of why the classes are structured as they are and why they'll need to make some changes to get a compliant class entry.

Chris

reek455 wrote:
ckouba wrote:

(Complicit in this is also to not ban Thunderslot for any of the classes in which they'd be eligible as well)

Chris

I do NOT agree.  So, if someone wants to win a Classic Sports car or CanAm race they would need to have a Thunderslot in order to have a shot? They are going to dominate from what I've seen and it would make it a one car class which equals: BORING.

Classics II has the 18k and 8mm tire rules for podded chassis entries.  I would be in favor of anyone appropriately setting up a Thunderslot T-70 Spider (I don't think the coupe was USRRC eligible) and seeing how it ran.

Can Am also has motor limits, and I believe only the spider was eligible in the series.  If someone wants to prep one which fits the rules (23k motor), I am personally fine with it.  If it's truly that dominant, it is more of a challenge to build something which competes against it. 

Also, maybe Greg just got a really good one and found a magic combination with tuning it.  I would be willing to run my Slot.It McLaren against his T-Slot T-70.

Also at Al's this past Odd Thurs was continued discussion on lifting the NSR ban.  It seems to be well received to lift the ban for the GT class.  I know we've discussed this for a while now, are we ready to pull the trigger?

It appears that GT is the only class in which they would be otherwise eligible.  Bill is the class sponsor, and in the end probably should get the final call, or at least a say in how the call is made. 

My take?  These cars were originally banned due to cost issues.  It appears that with currency fluctuation, the prices have come down while comparable others seem to have moved up.  There is marginal price difference (if any at all once the lesser brands are competitively tuned) between NSR and any of the other brands we run.  Based on this, I would like to see their exclusion lifted in any class which is appropriate (GT).

(Complicit in this is also to not ban Thunderslot for any of the classes in which they'd be eligible as well)

Chris

Indeed, thanks again to Al for hosting an excellent evening of racing.  I don't remember many of the details but I do remember very close finishes and multiple heats with everyone finishing on the same lap.  I know I had a couple tight heats with Al as a neighbor and I think it was Jeff and Al and whoever was in the last lane of that heat on the GT3 race having quite the scrap.  I think it reflects well on the development of the group's collective racing skill and the way we've developed some of the more stock-oriented classes.  It all ends up with some very good racing.  And at the end of the day, that's why we show up.

Well, that and the salmon.

362

(28 replies, posted in Cars)

reek455 wrote:

In my opinion we should down motor the Sports cars to make them run slower than some of them currently do.


If going slower is what we're looking for, shouldn't we just let Bill tune them?  That'd probably be a bit cheaper.

363

(8 replies, posted in Modifications)

reek455 wrote:

I have one and they work remarkably well.

Shouldn't that be "markably" well?  Unless, of course, you are doing something for a second time.  Then I guess it could be re-markable.

364

(306 replies, posted in NASTE)

HEADTURNER wrote:

What's with the rear view mirrors.

Technically, they're required for the derby... along with a horn.

365

(8 replies, posted in Modifications)

Greg can confirm but I *think* he has as well.

366

(7 replies, posted in NASTE)

kidvolt wrote:

I would have been tempted to balance the room by placing it next to the cat's watering hole.

Check again Monte- that's either her food dish or we have some DIRTY water in the OC (it's not water, it's the food dish).

I think the prestigious award looks best on the mantle!

367

(7 replies, posted in NASTE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_TzzcjRHWo

Proudly on display, and dwarfing the rest of the mantle:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fDxrfZwTs2AFxPHkDlphnGxJ5UsOD8J-n6ZkJL7q1Z6kcP7XpKWOKRN7qsHniGhCTNUOMjVFC96mRccQ2V-zkIW6gu_lPX5Acvq9178yzcfNJ29pYgkMzjWHhlolIx2nW25E5vsDli4h4gkERPEvozT5TBxPz7dIKUx9ERq7Cj6fcEtbDp839E4BSXX6EGRm4OiAYnJUmCfnbNC-6Y6chRHkIAZHkeo-jA3iRC-lLdHfHwYyHyJZCFN3aX9_znvNQTsuUppsyd3Lan0TOjkoBu0IJ4TeYk1P9i1p8Gp_gFBWviAYmX-EnLJHkbfgyw3tlpNuyjAgCaqT_yi8pblOJ8rOdebtJV4xNzNjyedA9yVWBZL8anPUnXXsT7T7fbyEWLB47kp8tN0Ve3aWlsKocwsD0LVl3378DZaWeqpFY7HwQ9eS3yuk2yz-x-oSiB4NKEJTlpO_Y64SQdiS8-YAaD4MjhdzJnFJyJY_YMG3TEF-qVYKyAc-ISPK-GeoWbpV5MOY3Acc87e2BoEDXpPnCfyeU4jIvUu4OCeb7fnqHbr-gWUhzSyemcMTRf-P-dGXP9-iT3A3sMyLAFbJB2ah4dW-K-QhIfesGO6xc1BRCzjFcbEgAuG19SiH7TlDMtUfjbgrGCbidd9w34qa5FvafL12O73wVnpKY8100OuCewg=w1369-h770-no

Looking forward to what the next season brings!

Chris

368

(69 replies, posted in Events)

Funny story...

I may have erroneously proclaimed you the winner due to having the monitor tucked up under the turn and me not being used to how RC displays the winner.  I'm sure I read it off bottom to top, but then never read Bill's name at the very top because I didn't see it (and the font changed).  I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be hanging on every word I utter, but for some reason he must have missed the fact that I didn't call his name.  If you look at the picture, it does clearly show he took top spot:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PXlakg_yO_fHITYv3PZ4mfxe7G-gg5e5tiZ_KEalX5Re1qkVaGUj_g63hhhLGDPWpfTNCOg60LAeAw116AwYXExhqyukZIhaxFTuAbOB3tgmk8dZFs8oOtS6N3oWSTE1aUioeJclfX0AVymncy_QWP7zfh2gGRQN_W6zjI5jW_im5DJ3A_kbzNaLMsejMRJ2vyFAILLs2isAiasR-a03wzliRcW8-CuEu6IDQhjMQFzR6rd9pMFA_Z6j39hq8xlUBWI7HvQTGQYMTbpyAhxceJPeT7KX46Zl1uUCEKtacx4uX1OoWTTm6ZnA2J47pZKhDdNQrb8LBcESbeoaC4u40sgHkoRYh29rC2329mJwfvkkxmNizf1zV19abwTvUfHBiyyi--eRZBusTjx5MhprWdQ3H7BMPaNk6a7Q_oUc3YYiw8GtRncHm7yFlpH4-150eaOKkep9mpsDFsb78jNASI3EiUa_xVMaz0KXNC6UBP56oEDE2a-FfZJi-z_oXcXmiZ7oEDWpW7i9cn9OnSo1C2A5-_D1ytR65-BE9rPcAlzgeTLsMd8Fc54piHsU_CRakxHdEhDEkASHTvl2tbvxvEpOlYKxvsJ8be7Xa9wEa0rKrKfTqyUFpFzX_UPHtGkDIDkPv06asHcKQh3WiCa5aCSMlVzLH1m1KfuEVwYW51Y=w1369-h770-no

Sorry about the confusion.   This feels slightly like the 2015 Mexican F1 GP.  Kinda...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Mexican_Grand_Prix

369

(69 replies, posted in Events)

Thanks Howie for letting a bunch of hoodlums run wild in your shop today.  Thankfully the temps were high enough to keep us pretty lazy and mellow.

For the unfamiliar, this is what Rapid Raceway looks like, with our host in the white shirt on the right (and Trans Am cars at the start line):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PYxACT5iupmQYFUsi7_AddBR2TukjAF_AzyDISiuW-lQh-_y6TaKGvHL8rNgsyEquZ5UCSicG0aDq7DBNo79igkyhakP0ICZq3CE0J8Lzj4BaGbuagKLD_Nns_CL88RIdx0RzIKC0wTwrPP471oDi61rkVGROLXF93CLqKdSEu2tAjlpuhQPNGNkRHYszk7OPQcqOXfphSlfinzSTCHNfUHvZkdJFrpuZLw12RUXX6siVIY4535doNUCrA5igb3ILUHWDfyRLGDQpEwqh-YyeimvG3NIIC78nlVIMqxAXhlZimrMl1cUpGke20TUDjjbTJAGM8KgnxB0dmbXHHiI3q6kUMedEbF6iN3HxmjyqTBWEg969siGbyvOGJ-u8VINKg0umuqAxeNJDs7eD5SmWjgyFLWCOSkoyATDcmbaEkGYzjiX6H-YT0LwdxWJrc5zgy4ZF_WeBNKMSW2JJ48y1oU3P6JNCYhefhtIbMyUtnXoLmtShjOxxf7wV72jz1QVM3VVr4DN1MeipoONeRqWYOMACdXEb3u2fuu--k8K_HWfWVAZ-IVhg82o28tJ934wEwAM6AOXREgWRWOEAVm8HXSF5fyhKx8INn7vdhTv4YftGWThvbButHxNj2fbLffI0Pb6OUrDQVwOdorwmmmq4YW0n8cnJ2gH-9lIPvGrqRA=w1369-h770-no


We started with a field of 8 racers who braved the heat today.  First up were the new class of Trans Am cars run in an IROC format.
Our fleet consisted of the four cars from the two Oregon teams which were entered in last year's Tacoma 24h.  The cars are only now just about to be commercially released, but the ones from the fall classic seemed to run out extremely well at Rapid Raceway.  With great looking bodywork and simple aluminum podded chassis, they were well matched with each other and the voltage (13v) suited the pink motors well.  The end results were:

1 - Bill "How'd I get here" Bostic - 152.1 laps
2 - Monte "Big Smooth" Saager - 150.1
3 - Rico - 143.2
4 - Howie - 141.2
5 - Chris - 140.2
6 - Mitch - 138
7 - Al - 131
8 - Jimmy - 100


The Trans Am's in motion:https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YY07BneFWoz8UmtjPpufuV3g2O6vwwiuxysmPltkF13fkFSWRaAmZf7xqY_Vog_v5xtuz94LJg06ALWbXNcx2ky3Yn3rNo7K-Xp2PX_X6jFBwXFg00hXbDiFLyyiErAkTI2t_Kvh1MUYP-Sy4vljmjmXIwVy9YkJ1rdfGbAVj8Ctg6chKs74-hqZxxe4pfHHe92zinS7kt1PZC9B4c9C2RH6JncuQBzZNYSQkFi-7dkFe8Kkmni-4fxVqQOe6mn0v0zJqKbkBNZR0tuSPqvZfk0LhsqVwhGIXMte3J2O37d-ouBoBop9yM85E5-Snc8hB_pbjN00Jab2e_qDvUkd1-QAfn4ap3Dvu2QUbmBMh5G2apOKZnD1XQBS40M0BlXG7Wu-syDHxsMg-ksjBAzuq4QfN46WQ5Bs08OdKgwNnZKRd4W-xzOl2ynU2qZfjO3UhfA1sfn9Izr8NraZIceaS8YsYsjMo6NxmE3UKAxF9pGmR-VmV7Ml0RmjTodhok-OvqzMMKGyg1CkHGQCgqO3g6fC9w4JXS4WDO030Hu0ME-NBJz4cB08Ifx4pMEcdK7GATb7O5usDFEIzTTi0eGJ9q-vDcgzhrk5bpeofYMTiXHKT9v7GRboE_NRm2TOVYXi3xmrzXBRrsLXYzhFoNuDUAXgW1ag1Re9OTbhYK9wOPk=w1095-h616-no


Blurring through the corner and onto the straight, 3 cars wide, Rico with his hand over his heart, cringing in fear of the mess he may have to marshall:https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lmxS7h_m_92rra8keLOC4TJvvZFUMhUSz6N10MtQwJeFDJoUu5Tsftbv8nth5HDBz-8QPm2YjyXELHnod-5ZuxbFWda7mfOFA_wQq_AZo7697XTMii4IarQingUgKUAYo_H9UOlk01VVk5SuxeK159PNp6DQVSEgX7pmyJAAKDcwQ1Hyp72HtRycElnlWIP1CHtGivn1D3DWhJYHb-BWYeHX8dk0bfAn_MlfcfOrIubCdT900gSY_o6ug_SG55Bma1O3w0qHBJhoa9l2Lu5Xmc6CuqVfcIZ_8KhiImDQEtcgsn_CDGj-h5MsG4xgprDDAM5msoJ2SHQhxx1jLc8eRUuNJ1kKvCqImhrdQdpQsYg_TlTMXqqaabrogKKnvlD9p1aBk9h1vo-jC-evw97Sf_B87xI8iwquWYVRh7E5z4DjPIWSqmjSyHguXA00JkKGd87sKJ2oGVl5iZLyTo3rcWsme2zCsLuzR5d8ERPBZeirfkhf9vXc97yxviw5udLGe4JCj0RQAdiQI2-IlQMJXM1Qi9u4lDeUSO4x2M0LZnv_wJh-536l2KlZDj683EmLTQS5wYSm_aDFtHQ3xV3CkIM_jbT8kjTiKxKb6Bps06slvc3KYZV1MpTYGb9o0itAVxeXic8CDUjMiD-Syu0efnVJNfIHi2w6xsAPRSx7mxU=w1369-h770-no



Next up were our ever so popular Group C cars.  For this we run box stock in either anglewinder or inline configuration.  It was weird having sufficient lane spacing to not be bouncing them off each other and the 13v sure made them quick.

One heat's starting grid:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/txAWAGALmcugTSAUpnOn7d6MNQVZKGcvfVQnHe7ui9UBfAxpHnkwr0ma4yt8G0_2MB2b3QL23KNoIB_i_BeN3-RnFn1NYkYmGmJtuUd4jwOaqYm1a1ybqGJeuA5cDa1157_cIARKd3mit5kTY6PY48nh0ERxJPLrcpw9MY7oTvQParS2RJY2diYDt9TilpBXX4Aq9lPL-5OgYH6z4z94aEN-nghlfWumiOW_vHt86uzHINIJBXX6q3eFNprRhHKvSdGTTkMCztIu-V5HSLcqZnwSE72dAqL5Vu4mz-IjXWYDKLRTxuh5ZIsZd8Go1Yx5f8PeXhY3zLt8NCDCBt8DH5ilHPeNDRA0az7qghXFD_M5Jg3R3Lev-G_dmrmlH0ggjpJqFhSmk8JBfmYelc6XYnLQ5h5a5TdiyGjWB4olfXwKOBbu3SzZ-jaftedvHPl_m3W0vmxhUWllWxSRZsIZUUzhpVQx3dOYhNPzAk_LAZ6lBcRAxkF0hiipHtDoNMzxqNZK3x5yc04PWw6xSZ4NSXw8W19tmMoASZRnJw4V29BhrG_KYHFfRQQv-BdsoH8UYnwQGWX_vgtT_9GHV_fjJbvejGHSWHCViINIJrbfe9kfMjF6HXFkoiLk1E84Ug7gwMR5H59s6mYZO2ftBKNRcSEmOI9xxupwgyUa7VtYDyo=w1369-h770-no

The crowd thinned by one for Gp C as Howie had somewhere else he had to be.  In the end, it was:

1 - Monte 138 + a little more than Rico
2 - Rico 138 + not quite as much as Monte
3 - Chris 132
4 - Tie for Mitch and Bill at 121 and I can't remember who was further around the track
5 - See above
6 - Al - 118
7 - Jimmy - 99


Artsy Gp C in-motion blurry shots, starting with Rico dusting off Bill (as his destroyed pinion wakes the dead!):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tl1G4MptJgj0E_aYrxPb5t7k7y_mUA3jIpPCBZDNzH2ewDOZkXMHauJz3r4PdEXbP8gzUOWhw-frOSAfp5JzvM6J-Hfau_6oZBIjlrNDOvHTAX_gtZQCI7o5rHVsZAteZH3DEXouS9Yra6aM-hDm65wbaIAwCOXm7PwHpreEb1-iLhNTyOS3MwFhPFI2RjH49bVE9W-OhqEyeyuwmEXPiqP3u485BoOX4wgT_nl_FTKN0HzmPk7YshK9Obgr5euLE92XAuVLLWvZV6pv0cvaLgHu2yxWBvGNpxGiKm2tYpj91WBMPBW1xW6NqtEmDbKrDjvFM9rfTvtgFfj1_I0h7ExC-bi6VkyVwsBAvB5rXKWdLcfPlfVrOO5L5xM4pgZaMqY7BJ4wYK9w6H4N5SQw-1pzPyfQTYyrrMi1TQmu9Ous3qwxYEuBEyTyMC8VmJehtsJEZJ8TnF5R6bqq7ww6-aG-eFAzV35kC8VUTzIopHL5n_MlDj3ii3SusgKaQGzVRRpqUEZJEv_Ys_jFEpl-9SLUKpCa7CFVEOK0cXPCndAHeAB8d7pro0yUpPLznRdtT98QxCBZ8BgLQ0ICN210nFiblE0dc2GFQHVpIBRFkNVPf9qmdGy-VZeKBuSxpe8MAtlBkY_wqZrtJXF_ZwX6yO-GuUz2BklfSij7-B8f_BM=w1369-h770-no

Monte's black and red blur lurks in the shadow beneath the bridge while Rico's red-taped Omron streaks through the frame:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bICYn6g-4-2_5Jts0H1-OQjGjDZXTXekk5ljFvME727pd2WQfj_mB-yXbEUcRadjsD4ohteqnAbk0r0X6YNUQibffaGMT1RK9oHsoLnk0h-XBl7TR5c35vjv-C6qkuOv8rcZizZub70nGgMc81L6mFjS42UK57ftdsM29gdo5MxOofhkDmSINjvSXw1amNDNCpK-_0u6HgdKWPjBMBaWtAT9ZMPDPqN1xqH3PB9wqY6jgISYn1jsKvpEV-fFSnoCnZ85J9ZSGrBvfYiuiOFCFFnLzNBIAcTnlmDXqnoAjfID27nOM_IMRrkiB74e_DeSi5kp1K-SZlMDHOR3MZNS79PTxthOk0UXJ4vRAMKVCvCaXPpCabh8QT08dld4LHKwVEmvU7XR6_FXhfpg__5GCcBAlULydTwKIPZm4j4ivI8gYFTLxXCh3pI--dYn5umnmIzm9pq8aV33-Bkg6K0CrPm4shgFVcxp0dzQHb8re7MAycElXU9zUMPwgGAUMeIhjlBtICDdawbS2DDUNT-yMiC6l3KUXXBBwyYH02iXF3DsF-nE4kpM85adhleKGSldhrrl53Nox0AEjZdzvRF6gea5AEDnyj_GV71aFyEktSdDbbN9-SAsdISyS1DuY9GZLWs2cjGGH0G695EV0C_M6XOuL-g_Vzz9hdFc5qu7Szk=w1369-h770-no

Mitch's Lowenbrau does a fly-by:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KUWUrpRyDizVMnD2xqrLLuveV2ripZgB_H72RCT5HpFICuIdRPh3VmnLLjSMZonyvUkvHuQOMyPsIbnm3o5QdhScSLhpkmTagUh6lVhAZiUVG1uqEt1x-KD_Kkr_kITb5C4UA-yKug9BKNWk_03jxditxXbblDypHmEsFgiynE6PjBfeZoU8evD17vUcywtWXRqEVImCgdVF2rPPOU78ymeEfj0n8yLy8dgp95xMzOMxXeUzrZ4Y09wp3cX1kh_cPqrWMytV9CE-cvcLNhhjWLiOKum_iBJAyO5RA8WbNYC8h85RlQUMmuCoT3pWDn3kOsCsf1aNR-mlgB5dWxIcz_F9XFLSjV0lvyB6WJU6JQpsIy4y9ziOrgI3BH6nOnog3xw5OhBsTXbGCWFEvrfllY5o1Sf5qI0y3C8aFt3r9JWHY7IsGohRFHsMiJwlxPpQQxRSOT5Hrnma_5ya6NwKUcXXxFq1SPxhJtmBBZ3QVYdrvPY3Rkee9m8iSxLncf9S08JzWsSuIm2JijFjiS65MEZnORgBxaqm-OMMBryq5Ge9GZ9f1lwVYD0smkcvWuoO3tMXDtg8XAMX7ItFwIpULJshHxhmzS9ze549xrxyll0IMfnV2B6gASNcF7kNDOX61FyMWnGu9w4EoANhbDtCm9yggEFz1o2OyWRlUF-d8tw=w1369-h770-no

Bill's Bud car does some streaking of its own:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZYtA-eeEWRlzyXB_6Bwo4e5blbn2zcrvqq2aH2Nbu7a5hgLwI4y0xmx48U_g3MCbwRyzrrPhsUn6yYcsXKPt6iCGRMLzfGS-RXkiHDP1CGJ0d1nyrV3bOuskE8E2hACnCc6oeDPU81pHntBMbg29MtQ3CUucGNaJmhj7IAVxGgQD4k1l_vvYSXxqrTOJK_izZnI9MwzOLk6nrqIV91mfQP696gXVBINuyNpntW_hJMnFKeb53SMZJUIqvqz50qMd9PyGsq4cv8N9S2ccmOnNVZCEvJwSQoLuyQQI3vQjkG3mVb-LuyQZa7YMp8emyt0r0UMi0SnWNkQSJbnqGi-9ci0gYpTRwu2fujY6w8nLbZQrIX7sJ2UB4oRsx1X3Eq6YvnA04kEv6ViOejeGOhLj0XXUxcUNwPlnFlxEcSOQ-7ApE1IM0e_UwoJORUx-GUkDQrEj0kOXKWOGWXMV_mu0zkkmeGQlA6Ne1KUzyQ3U6FU4slqGH1o4rNTnGAZASDdZBuM1otAo1BjHXNH0_OXFG4Ee-Z_rRrckXHSBnidipwK_sBVQ399aOI830O5Fd_lHezVEt6dNTyZdZGetD2VS6q8FO5B2SglPrSiszKlzHUys-dCUQ-vDEg-D-NK1RUqESx7AXXBysVwWy6Qln2Pwu86Xrn8hX6aC0teOqtUnNZA=w1369-h770-no



Next up were the BRM Classics - the 917 and the 512.  There is a modest population of these among the NASTE regulars and we are nearing critical mass to work these into our normal rotation.  Just need a few more people to take the plunge and run them with us.  They do make a gorgeous starting field though:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/h-_hfIVoYqpLMGJxYg-jpVpZRPnpn0ftGL_FzUwNshQdlZC2DTrj2asWgXNtkqOnJEHMFUhmB-fyRn7UnNvLoNjQoxSCMoPbZ7wZ9KtRaVJV0-lrIxwfhF_q55vD101iFB_uV_vKJ98H75sesmHM1GEpQxwmcejnGURr7FROfAk5phbbQRIzNBuTFV2l4yDxbhUmZC1diIwTCRKNIQ9Qt2XOp9Lh8dwxmaegte4A9nGFx0ZKUJXlz1XV9kFDMCJCPVzej14JVeIKqsKzKLuV-cLmMP7U0zNnALHLD4sNOsfEKldtdLEnKINEP8zX77gfelMZr2UzAVbCcRiRV-mrq335RS5mD6kTU1eDw0Pb2kvOc8UoFc4KZ7JNoGmzFNwxKkWGC6ExFKcvnK8TZuV9wMHRUWRJGhYnTYeEle7NiQsWO2ZzgyKm5N3gTgpfkiDKbRcTr0sw0Hf1msmzELU7nqllIu1lOjEo6ikfy_6sIEOXIbtLaSeQ3JNnKrnnb09hwip1bH4LoVoZoVcHAAgLGUCLgrR-cRqTnrSaac1xYgFBdbElTgcKyK2z2yWkOZLP75kGyB--XQzxbURH6g6QBS9Uk47hUt1v-mvparamiDYyTSOaEvTvoKaNmC7dtyuliAa5GFCIiTIIJAAUFMFpR5mc1Rw81kk4dtXkuWD1C7M=w1369-h770-no

We were whittled down to 5 and a half racers for this race as Jimmy needed to step away before the green dropped and Rico was on borrowed time and bailed after heat 2.  There were good battles throughout the field but in the end, Monte wasn't able to three-peat.  Bill stood at the top of the podium, followed by me and then Mitch:

1 - Bill - 144
2 - Chris - 139
3 - Mitch - 132
4 - Al - 127
5 - Monte - 126
6 - Rico - 63

More artsy shots...

Monte's shaken, not stirred Martini & Rossi 917 getting the taillight treatment from Bill's Gulf Oil entry:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_mrGgNQo6v7j7C1Mbvw1OXn3cAJ56T9mrwkshpaFlI1Oj3itxM504UTXfCVWhOryzLX6KWxBde1uVvNXyvF8yREHPlNWqornatQAsQLAsij9EHHSjhlQF0jwjj7zl8l1UUOHYOk8xCxLrfym1s6W7Vc8uzNQEzh8isnKvepRdYCJPXnNJrACfSCQrXlJLXxEJXMlLqJuDnpctzYxpw-t9s0ZtMUBpzuhpQQ1Xrz129v6ZzMV17FuVrII4cYlTWsa0P8zHe2_kchnQed8uCV_3LC-Nwr4Ft_Q90kRrC9wSaXiiCYNwnfuTdhWfjjQdFg5QMPv5yYz0JvZPG5rboj9uZIP9_7fwmI3KY96sBM_2T3scAApd1rUqV2_LLFck0w6XqnWOnHNysJyE-qLDDDq0pVXqMVybWiE2-Qz5SXvEnQz8Jx_12TNsCAibf79_p-SLawgGHJGclOUAJOIYmzqBAK8KLNkCaSLVNPXrvRpUjvB4Sppi6Obg2Ck2601h3Sqmxw0KD5ABW8sFS9ewSLUka8ZoGH8gHnNMiiVPeDHwF33wVGseXUcupa339uZZoJpffFCUHLc8W6P42rX8xIT27R5qSn8Hrrcgpk2CfTT7folVQUw6fRR57bU0VTsUz43NG4oVwS5PZNmPESCKeSlwXXXhLm_7YVEWTqLPsQmqQw=w1369-h770-no

Mitch's borrowed entry in its familiar Scuderia Kouba livery:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QzMe6W5Ies6m30OK7x_VSAKuFXGLldD_IBXghhFipVqrWLjcAvuprTffMkakf7uY1OlGAPUUX0d1ypV34y5gHQociBI6IparryIM_dUGAqsLff9hjWDkU4W_mh-yD9xfsC8sM5pN5s7qgBpqyubK8kSZ696gB5j2wuTSqvkUC9a_a9YJC_HuqzuvfslKTZ6cm0gEJqJMLgkltv_GB6Zg5JPQoYCRXxAzyauQAT2-hCMgIfTZZhM6Qe5sud9XYzKFe3TrQObS6jW2Qeb8Sz9WuIIKKeiScs6JLTseQ04UeNwmtwcRLF0Ivc1K7lmvjzts_L_H4CNxtISwZYkrCK_ppgbvNKA5uMcnlwplOIFXUteQc2QfeAjgDmoRsClqZj4A5CFpoxsusZp4w0fiHf9Jg7f-LOCyryydJXyQfQC8ObROCosTeuzjbu_KdCNh6EY3eg1xKOYp6hEx9kBlkgRToW9ZcjWRikeKyq8e254cek8TAcgXoVyviQqeOzKY2bIRjJHQ03rs9ifpdmYiBeeeC38mOrTB9OIer-FwT8iOrVeelbi7TMdLS3PFF3loN-oXu4-f5u1keTupme9t8LTyFzCWFH9sZCdcZgTvc_FW3KscONKKDpHrubMHdyDDnR2f98BSzpfmYIvYAm8pAVKknIJkdSHHFwsAw12DJE8vjwQ=w1369-h770-no



The last event of the day was the GT/BRM Open race, where you could run anything you had the heart to build up with BRM parts.  It made for an, ummm, eclectic starting field, as evidenced with this photo:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EryGJWHetKoUGWFls5oEs8i5kTwSwnsq58aNpTfTpE8x5i6FuZ7CR55SvNrioOkl8tsBCeja13ODccqAgLFd7TMepoLQyMuqIbGZESRiMfGRsLCHKYY_3TwPQUc2Cvd-n3SEl7MlZtvYF_3J4AdRESqzyQKH-7Uk1WkKZfbDna36jFHt2CWSe9ax_OaTkskxQ2rP1O6Kk6SiDOgAECnw6G7hLRngCJn8tnf5GgkuUYN3f8m6BaoxZ4eXdOsiVNf5EwdsyciVNAca81N9vE_hltfRvDiJlgi-l6EzKCGBgd5LpHRfnfubz27qewNi0krO8sianQD4lhqC5_xmaVmeiN_Qh7arIrCkOOx3DoIQozK3CKOoWK8c3I-Zd0q5SwLeoY4zgxpubyqqsqjUCCcGTABfIges8z-lDc1kjzsDwfRvUP0lCDDazv4965sA9nMSGM02w6jqg4Akp9dIP6a16mI2vpI9pu0149o3bh9f6zSPXtvdpgld1DSfV-1cqCkCmu4TD0Bd7OEh4_Icq6Aw2Ecu8RYFLoe_w5EoEmibkaudNogf413k6nkxAK6n-QrJogrRqCxYlPP3YbaBIAvNK17JkpnC78KLtBrx5M4ZTut4Js68HFx4xhrjeQw-iYC871O3fYqUddIWzvZfpRG-TStFAX8YZylNKjOSIzFyb7g=w1369-h770-no

This represents literally one car from each BRM class...  We were down to just four racers at this point as Bill thought it more sporting to run the show and marshal than actually compete.  Monte was clearly the man to beat, running the field into the ground with his purple TA Camaro which was straight from the T24 last year.  By this time the track was super tacky and his sponge tires and purple motor were a lethal combination.  The rest of us took knives to his gunfight, and we all were searching through pit boxes between heats.  After eventually migrating to a Tacoma-spec Gp C car (black motor, weight kit, foam tires), I was able to reel him back in and finally get a lap on him by the end of the fourth heat.  It was a fairly epic battle (in my head at least) and quite a fun time.

In the end, the finishing order was:

1 - Chris 154
2 - Monte 153
3 - Al 143
4 - Mitch 132

All of this brings us full circle.  One more thanks goes out to Howie for lending us the facility for the day.  It's nice to have a different track to play on from time to time.  And the day couldn't be complete without the fine  folks at BRM producing the robust and gorgeous models which also run so well.  We race them every Odd Thursday, and they are a blast!

Chris

More pics here: https://goo.gl/photos/Lta7B5FRQ8kSc2S39

kidvolt wrote:

Chris, the forum does not have a poll but the main site does have that feature, we haven't used it for a while.

Maybe we just discuss it at the next Odd Thurs then?

Do we have a forum feature to have a poll?  Maybe would be better to start a separate thread with a poll or two:

1 - Lift the NSR ban? 
2 - Allow Thunderslots as class legal cars where applicable?

I am in favor of both, but that's what another thread would be better to discuss.  Maybe...

wb0s wrote:

I vote we lift the NSR ban at least for one class.

I would nominate the GT class.  These all look they'd fit in well enough there, and it's in the spirit of that being the least-regulated, most inclusive class we run:

http://www.nsrslot.it/index_models.html

Although, if you were feeling saucy, you could down-motor and little-tire one and theoretically be legal in Classics 2.  That would seem like a waste of $'s though in my opinion.

reek455 wrote:

I think we should ban them like NSR's or everyone is going to have to buy one.


Or... just throwing this out there... maybe it's time to lift the NSR ban?  They are available at Slot.It prices if you look hard enough and as has been said before, by the time we are tuning any of the other brands to run as well as they are these days, we probably have "NSR money" invested in them.

I have already come close to picking up a Thunderslot (but admit to not having done so yet) but already do own 3 or 4 NSR's.  I would love to be able to use them but also would enjoy getting a Slot.It to compete with them.

374

(306 replies, posted in NASTE)

That looks incredibly AWESOME!! 

Looking forward to seeing flames on it (painted, not seeing it actually burn).

375

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kidvolt wrote:

...do we just start looking at proxy rules and fit our classes to them?

Well...  That would be the $64,000 question.  I would be open to either but would advocate stand alone proxy classes instead of merging them.  The frame of reference I have is our F1 category.  Frankly, it's a nightmare.  We already have a Classics I and II division, which is manageable but dilutes the purity (if we can call anything NASTE does "pure").  I would like to see the classes (proxy or legacy) remain independent so we don't force anyone to rebuild their cars.  Why monkey with a good thing?

Let's discuss more...