Any reference to NSR cars being ineligible needs to be removed. They have been voted back onto the island in any class for which they meet the criteria.
The only place where Thunderslots will be eligible is the new Open class.
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Any reference to NSR cars being ineligible needs to be removed. They have been voted back onto the island in any class for which they meet the criteria.
The only place where Thunderslots will be eligible is the new Open class.
I thought I took it home but I guess it's possible. I'm out of town through Sun but will check when I get back.
Good racing last night. I had a great couple heats side by side with Al, and the competition up and down the field is pretty tight!
Those with tuning questions may find this thread useful:
kidvolt wrote:If we still had a rally track we could probably offer a round locally.
Let’s make one :-)
Like a small hill climb or something.
I'm game! Will happily contribute to the construction but would need it to reside somewhere else, at least for the near term.
Well, I am officially in. I have an RS and urQ on their way home for testing and development. Love this era!
Poking around, it looks like cars are reasonable. I think I'm in.
Doors + roof and not Thunderslot = GT legal.
Go for it!
In what current class would this car run?
GT? Nope. No roof.
Can Am? I don't think 908's ran Can Am. A look at the linked USRRC participants doesn't include 908.
Le Mans? Nope. While it did run there, our class is for Fly and Scaley (and similar) cars. NSR is not similar.
Classics II? Only with a lower spec motor and narrow tires.
Trans Am? F1? GT3? DTM? Nope across the board.
Its only opportunity is Classics II. We removed the ban on NSR so the cars are legal. I'd say run one there if you want to.
Regardless of a class to run it in, NSR's are legal. I am interested in grabbing one of these once they come down a little in price.
CK
Yes, I would expect the intention is for points races, but I read "these cars" as the Can Am and GT classes, and specifically without TS cars.
T-Slots are ineligible for this season. Period. I believe the objective is to replace the TS rounds with fresh new (championship-counting) rounds without them.
We can figure out on the side how to integrate TS cars into the field going forward but for now they are out for any championship rounds.
docdoom wrote:Any body have any thoughts on adding two more races to the end of the season to run these cars?
No, what's going to change? There will still be those who have them and those who don't
Well, anything could change but mostly, but what did change is that Thunderslots are not eligible to play now. Those that do have them will not be allowed to use them, and it gives the opportunity to exercise their "normal" car, like in the pre-Thunderslot era.
Any body have any thoughts on adding two more races to the end of the season to run these cars?
I'm good with that.
Official Results - NASTE 2018 Point Series Championship Race No.3 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway
GT Class
1 Chris 77.9 Laps - 12 points
2 Monte 74.8 - 11 pts.
3 Fernando 73.9 - 10 pts.
4 Rico 72.8 - 9 pts.
5 Al 72.4 - 8pts.
6 Daniel 70.8 - 7 pts.
7 Mitch 69.5 - 6 pts.
8 Gary 68.6 - 5 pts.
9 Jeff 62.9 - 4 pts.
10 Chris Hammett 59.2 - 3 pts.
11 Victoria 58.8 - 2 pts.
12 Amy 57.3 - 1 pt.
Looking at this, it's coming back to me- this is the race where I ran mine and Monte and Fernando ran Monte's and Doc had his (but had tire issues)... Is that correct?
If that's the case, then fine... Can it.
It seems that only round 6 is causing the heartbreak. I say scratch that round and let's move on.
So here's an idea for the remainder of the point series season. Make a change to the racing calendar which removes the GT Class and Can Am Class races from the point series for the remainder of the point series season. Change those races to non-point races and address rules changes for next season. Continue running those classes as non-point races and maybe someone will figure out how to make Slot.it or NSR cars run with the Thunderslots? At least this way there will be no more penalty for not owning a Thunderslot.
If it's causing this much of a furor, here's my proposal-
There's no reason to do away with any of the classes for points, the only wrench in the works is the Thunder Slot, and I think the only round we've run with them was this week's Can Am. To make the most people happy, outlaw the Thunderslots for the rest of this year's Championship, throw the past week's round out the window, keep the final Can Am and GT rounds as part of this year's series, and figure out a way to integrate the Thunderslots into our rules structure in the coming off-season (which may still be exclusion from the championship).
This puts the competition back to where it was pre-TS, which was a known playing field before the season started and everyone should have a handle on just exactly how competitive their entries are and at least feel like it's an even field.
Are NSR cars legal?
Yes. Restriction was removed in July.
What's to prevent me from down motoring a Thunder Slot?
Nothing.
I DO know that I'm enjoying racing less and less to the point I am considering not racing anymore unless we get this mess straightened out.
Rico
That would suck. I would miss running against you.
kidvolt wrote:"We did discuss at the beginning if the Thunderslots were allowed (along with the NSR's), and we did all say yes."
NOT everyone said yes. I could see the writing on the wall as soon as I believe it was Greg's Thunder Slot run that it would be dominant and objected.
Rico
Sorry Rico, I see what I typed but meant to convey that we decided as a group to allow them.
So riddle me this... Will the car also be legal for Classic Spo's Car Class 2 with a lower powered motor and thin tires?
Yes.
http://naste.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=630
That would be even more ludicrous than the allowance of the Slot.It Ford GT in that class - an allowance I still do not understand.
What specifically is your objection? The inclusion of the GT40, or of the existence of a class of slower-motored, podded cars on skinny tires?
"We did discuss at the beginning if the Thunderslots were allowed (along with the NSR's), and we did all say yes."
Lacking a sample size since I don't think we'd even seen one prior to the start of the season this was a poor decision.
I wasn't making a judgement of the decision, merely bringing up the fact that we did discuss it and make a communal decision that they would be allowed.
After spending enough money to buy a Thunderslot on two Fly cars I ended up with the fastest Fly cars I've ever driven, but that was it, they still fell short of what the Thunderslots were running.
Then I drove one. Before I finished the first lap I knew my efforts were futile. So I bought one. It's the fastest, smoothest most pleasant to drive car I own.
To be completely honest, I wasn't planning on buying one and intended to thrash on a Slot.It to get it competitive. Then I was given a coupe as compensation for someone's portion of the 24h entry cost and I very quickly came to the same conclusion which Mitch references above, only I was spared the expense of trying to set up some other car first. The Thunderslots are fairly untouchable in the short term and without spending equivalent sums of money on other ones.
After this, I did seek out and purchase the whitest-with-red-stripes-liveried spider I could find and tuned it in the same manner I did the coupe. It was another step function quicker. If I spend a bunch of time and money on my current Slot.it, I may get it close, but it's currently "only" running 6.9's at Al's, so it's certainly not near the pointy end.
That said, I do still believe it is possible to tune another car to be competitive with them, but it will take time and persistence.
After the racing on Thurs night, I got out the 962 which I don't run anymore to see where it was. After a few laps I had it running 6.5's with occasional 6.4's.... So it's possible. But that car is heavily massaged and took quite a bit of time to get there.
I'll actually probably run it for the GT category race nights, just to have something other than a Thunderslot out there, that and my coupe isn't white with red. We did discuss at the beginning if the Thunderslots were allowed (along with the NSR's), and we did all say yes. I would be inclined to stick with that decision but understand they will probably need their own class.
Perhaps we allow them through the end of the series this year and then run them as a sub-class of Can Am on non-points nights. We can decide if they remain championship legal at the start of next season again. I don't particularly care one way or another, but also as Mitch says above, they really are spectacular cars to run and it'd be a shame to not use them.
Yes, it's time to start thinking about this again... The pre-registration email has been sent out and it's time we start getting organized. We have a championship to defend!
As always, the true struggle is to find volunteers for each team for race day. Right now, that is the help we truly need. We need at least two people (one per team) who are willing and able to spend the day away from the team (probably appeals to some of you!?) and supporting the event (free labor!).
Last year Bill and Jeff (Burns) were two of the volunteers. Bill towed cars back up the hill and Jeff had a flagging station on the course. There are many potential assignments, so it's a lottery for what you'll end up with on the day.
The date for the event is the third Sat in August, which makes it 8/18/18 this year.
If you're available and interested in this extremely glamorous assignment, please let Bill or me know as we would like to get the application done up ASAP. Come on out and be a part of this motley crew!
Chris
Hey Al. Did leave my controller at your place. Got home and it was not in my box thanks
It seems to be contagious...
When I got home last night, I did a bit of a scrub of the house. Guess what I found? Yes, in a place where it was totally not supposed to be, I found my DiFalco.
All is right with the world now.
Thanks for an excellent night of racing!
you do realize that is the same designation as poop, right?
Maybe we should call him "Doc Deuce"?
Hang on... I just realized that's not much better!
Thanks for an excellent night of racing. If the wire on The Deuce's Camaro hadn't had an issue, he would have easily taken top slot in TA last night. He was off fetching another car for at least a lap or two and I only beat him by a tenth. He'll be tough to beat when TA comes around for points!
I remember what the results were.....
But Bill, you would actually have to be there. Like in person. I could even bring you a car or two, unless I get stuck on a late cement pour.
Oh, he could be there, but he wouldn't race.
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