I'm trying to coordinate a date for the track move. I think a Saturday or Sunday will work best because most of the guys work during the week. If you are interested in helping move the track, please send me an email with which day would work best for you. So far I am considering January 5th (Saturday), January 19th (a Saturday), or January 27th (a Sunday). So far these dates are just tentative as I have not yet verified transport vehicles.

I'd really like to get the move done before we go on vacation the first part of February, but if it doesn't work out I will have to set a date sometime after February 20th.

Thanks!

=======Bill

docdoom wrote:

Think you have the results wrong for last nights race

Oops.........you are correct sir, thank you!

Corrections made!

.........copy/paste operator malfunction................

Hey Mitch, thanks for the photo from last night's race I used for the website's Home Page!

NASTE 2019 Point Series Championship Race No.6 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway December 27, 2018

Race Results - Le Mans Class:

1 Monte 70.7 Laps - 10 points
2 Daniel   70.5 - 9 pts.
3 Rico   69.4 - 8 pts.
4 Al  68.5 - 7 pts.
5 Bill  67.3 - 6 pts.
6 Jeff  67.0 - 5 pts.
7 Zack  61.4 - 4 pts.
8 Mitch   57.9 - 3 pts.
9 Bryan Dickerson  56.0 - 2 pts.
10 Jake  49.8 - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2019 NASTE Point Series Championship After 6 Races:

1st Monte - 50 points
2nd Al  - 47 pts.
3rd Rico  - 39 pts.
4th Daniel  - 31 pts.
5th - tie Mitch  - 20 pts.
5th - tie Bill  - 20 pts.
7th Jeff - 15 pts.
8th Stan  - 11 pts.
9th - tie Greg   - 10 pts.
9th - tie Chris - 10 pts.
11th - tie Gary  - 9 pts.
11th - tie Fernando  - 9 pts.
13th Zack - 6 pts.
14th - tie Jake - 2 pt.
14th - tie Farmer Bryan Dickerson - 2 pts.
16th Terry Redeau  - 1pt.

Race results from the sixth race of the 2019 point series held at Al's Rippin' Ridin' Raceway:

GT3:
1 Daniel   67.6 Laps
2 Rico   67.4
3 Al  66.8
4 Jake  64.8
5 Zack  62.9
6 Monte  62.7
7 Mitch  61.9
8 Bill 59.9
9 Jeff  59.3
10 Bryan Dickerson  39.6

Le Mans Class - NASTE 2019 Point Series Championship Race No.6:
1 Monte 70.7 Laps
2 Daniel   70.5
3 Rico   69.4
4 Al  68.5
5 Bill  67.3
6 Jeff  67.0
7 Zack  61.4
8 Mitch   57.9
9 Bryan Dickerson  56.0
10 Jake  49.8

Open Class Results:
1 Bill 77.8 Laps
2 Al   75.7
3 Daniel   73.2
4 Rico  69.8
5 Bran Dickerson  66.5
6 Mitch  66.4
7 Zack  63.4

TOMORROW!

Thanks Doc, we've had many conversations about making various changes through the years. Usually the outcome results in improvements to our racing. Personally I've had more ideas shit canned than implemented!

Merry Christmas!

Personally Doc, I just don't see this as an equitable system for our slot racing. If I am really putting forth the effort to be competitive in the point series, and I show up at a race with say 15 participants, and I'm having a difficult night and after my first heat it is obvious to me I will not be in the top eight, what's my incentive to stick around? I'm done, I might as well pack it up, I don't even have a chance of salvaging a couple of points. I will be scored the same as last place. Or let's say I show up at a race and there are only 6 racers. Let's say half of them are new guys. All I have to do is beat two skilled racers and three newby's to get a full 10 points, versus a race with 15 participants where I might have to beat a dozen veteran racers. With this system I see where it is just as possible to get further behind and possibly even harder to try and catch up. These types of issues led me to the scoring system we currently use. Bottom line is; if you're really good you might be able to recover missing one race. But most likely, if you miss one or two races and your competition does not, you will never catch up. You just can't make up what you never got. No matter how you try to manipulate the point assessments it won't pencil out. A system of scoring a percentage of the total races towards the championship, is the only reasonable way to allow for racer's absences from a race or races. In an effort to lessen the point penalty for racers that don't show up to a race, you are creating a point penalty for a percentage of the racers that do show up.

This obviously needs more discussion and maybe a vote? Next race at Al's on the 27th?

If the objective is to limit point losses due to absences, I would suggest only counting a portion of the total races scheduled towards the championship. This year there are 19 races scheduled, as an example the official tally could consist of a racer's best 16 races (or whatever number of races the group decides upon). We have used this method before, throwing out one or two races. Changing the point values will not fix the absence issue. Lost points are lost points no matter what the value. You can't make up what you've lost.

It's up to the group, I'm fine with whatever is decided in regards to scoring.

I won the championship one year without winning a single race. I had many second place finishes (the Doc approach to success)!

One can make the argument that a racer may not fall as far behind due to a bad night, but by the same token it could impede process in making up lost ground. Any position below the top eight down to the last placing competitor result in points lost. All racers below the top eight are scored the same as if their finish position counts for nothing. Look at it from a new racer's perspective, if you're not in the top eight you're just another loser.

I feel in the NASTE point series EVERY racer should get credit for the races they compete in. competition is so good and close now I feel good if I place in the top ten. I should get credit for it if I do. At the end of the season I do not want to see 10 racers tied for last place.

We all know my math skills can be questionable, what I do know is the most consistent racers will STILL win regardless of what value you put on the points awarded for finish positions. The relationship between the point totals will change, but not the relationship between the racer's finish positions.

Through the years of NASTE, and with the HO club I was involved with in the 80's,  I've experimented with various scoring systems for point series racing. My first question is; what would be the reason to change to a different point system?

I finally settled on, and stayed with the current system for a few reasons. 1. It is one of the easiest systems to use for scoring. 2. It is one of the fairest systems of scoring. A racer gets 1 point for every other racer he beats in a race. At the end of the season a racer's score tells the whole story. Their total is exactly how many other racers they beat in races to win the championship. 3. A racer gets more points for wins where the race had more competitors he had to beat. 4. In a race where the top finishers are basically the only racers to score points, a racer can achieve the exact same number of points for a win where they only have to beat say 6 other racers, as a racer who has to beat 20 other racers. The points have no equality in relation to the number of competitors in any given race. 5. If a competitor has a bad race and falls below the point cut off of the top finishers, he loses more points to the leader. I.e. let's say the points leader finishes 9th in a field of 12, he only gets 1 point, same as 10th through 12th, but he still beat three other racers. 6. And lastly, I have NEVER seen where scoring differently for a point series has ever made a difference in the outcome! I have had racers question the scoring systems I have used in the past. At the end of the season I have re-scored the entire championship, ALL the races, and re-totalled the finish. It has NEVER made a difference in the final outcome. The point totals may come out different, but the racer that won still always won. The biggest difference was in how close the point totals were. Some may question that, but I challenge anyone to go back through a season, re-assign the points using other values, and re-tabulate the finish scores. No matter how you count it the winners still win regardless of the total numbers.

To me what makes a little more sense is to allow racers to throw out one or two races each season. This brings the point totals in closer and gives racers a chance to recover if they have a really bad race, or just plain miss a race.

With all that said, I am not opposed to using a different numbering system. Just tell me what you guys want and I'll be happy with it.

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YES!!!!

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All I want to know is, what happened to Indy Car votes?????? I LOVE those cars!!!!

Gotta admit, I voted for Early Modified!

I have work to do, my NASCAR sucks!

Race host and fisherman extraordinaire Al, or MEAT as we like to call him!
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Jeff taking a break to get in a little bench racing between races.
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Pictured left to right: Chris, Stan - just behind Al, and Zack.
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Chris' winning Can Am car.
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Staring grid for another Can Am heat race.
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Pictured left to right: Monte, Chris, Al, Zack.
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Monte, The Big Smooth!
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Pictured left to right: Stan, Monte, Jeff, Zack.
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Zack's ready to go, Monte's hookin' up.
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The Slot.it McLarens are a popular choice for the Can Am Class.
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Can Am starting grid for a heat race.
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Pictured left to right: Jake, Mitch, Chris.
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Just an indicator of how fast Monte was, even the camera couldn't catch him!
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So after five point races we have a tie for the lead!

NASTE 2019 Point Series Championship Race No.5 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway December 13, 2018

Race Results - Can Am Class:
1 Chris 78.9 Laps - 10 points
2 Monte   77.0 - 9 pts.
3 Al   72.7 - Fastest lap to break tie - 8 pts.
4 Mitch  72.7 - 7 pts.
5 Rico  70.1 - 6 pts.
6 Bill  68.6 - 5 pts.
7 Stan  65.3 - 4 pts.
8 Jeff   61.3 - 3 pts.
9 Zack  59.7 - 2 pts.
10 Jake  58.8 - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2019 NASTE Point Series Championship After 5 Races:

1st - tie Al - 40 points
1st - tie Monte  - 40 pts.
3rd Rico  - 31 pts.
4th Daniel  - 22 pts.
5th Mitch  - 17 pts.
6th Bill  - 14 pts.
7th Stan  - 11 pts.
8th - tie Greg   - 10 pts.
8th - tie Jeff - 10 pts.
8th - tie Chris - 10 pts.
11th - tie Gary  - 9 pts.
11th - tie Fernando  - 9 pts.
13th Zack - 2 pts.
14th - tie Terry Redeau  - 1pt.
14th - tie Jake - 1 pt.

As usual, racing at Al's last night included fast close racing and some great snacks! We welcomed a new racer Zack to the field. Zack brings his RC car racing experience along and it served him well! There were many comments about how the the track was hooked up last night and it was reflected in the lap times and total laps for each heat race.

The first class on the grid was Trans Am. This is always one of the most closely fought classes every time it is raced. Last night was no different. Jeff won but by only one lap over Rico. Al was third just three tenths of a lap back, with Mitch just a mere six tenths behind Al.

Trans Am Results:
1 Jeff   67.1 Laps
2 Rico    66.1
3 Al  65.8
4 Mitch  65.2
5 Bill  64.0
6 Chris  63.1
7 Stan  60.2
8 Monte  59.2
9 Zack 58.7
10 Jake  55.5

Can Am was the class for the Point Series Race of the evening. Racers have been working to up there game and there were some awesome cars on the track, driven by awesome drivers! It was a tough race for some of us trying to keep pace! The top dog's finishes were knocking on the 80 lap door! The top five all broke the 70 lap mark, but Chris and Monte were clearly the guys to beat and led the way through the entire race!

Can Am Class - NASTE 2019 Point Series Championship Race No.5 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway:
1 Chris 78.9 Laps
2 Monte   77.0
3 Al   72.7 - Fastest lap to break tie
4 Mitch  72.7
5 Rico  70.1
6 Bill  68.6
7 Stan  65.3
8 Jeff   61.3
9 Zack  59.7
10 Jake  58.8

After the crowd cleared out a bit the Open Class cars were gridded up for a little grudge racing. This round Al was top dog, but just barely edged out Chris by one tenth of a lap! Both of the top cars were Slot.its!

Open Class Results:
1 Al 76.8 Laps
2 Chris   76.7
3 Bill   75.4
4 Mitch  75.2
5 Stan 72.2
6 Zack  68.1
7 Rico  44.4

Thanks Al for another night of awesome racing and food! Your smoked salmon is till the best in the west! Obviously that's why we call you MEAT!

Thanks Howie for all your help and support in this endeavor!

Thanks Doc, moral support and supervision is key to the success of any project...........

We missed ya tonight Doc!