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I have a FLEET of Abarths!!!!

YES, all 3!!!

When can I bring my cars over????

Sounds like RALLY to me!!!!

The racing on Odd Thursday Nights seems to be getting closer with each race! Attendance has been very good even through the hot summer nights. Here's the results from the July 23rd race:

Trans Am Results:

DQ Glenn Heath 54.9 laps (Glenn broke both his elligible cars - raced his NAK-Spec Car)
1st Greg Petrolati 52.0 laps - Fastest Lap of the Race 9.938
2nd Bill Bostic 51.7
3rd  Goose Gossett 50.8
4th Bryan Dickerson 50.5
5th  Monte Saager 48.4
6th  Rico Locati 48.0
7th  Mitch Brooks 47.7
8th  Dennis Hart 47.2
9th  Al Christensen 47.0
10th Victoria Saager 42.7
11th Jim Jones 39.6
12th Dominic Locati 39.1
13th Cash Shepski 33.4

GT Class Results:

DQ Bill Bostic 58.2 laps (motor>21.5k)
DQ Greg Petrolati 58.2 (motor>21.5k)
1st Monte Saager 58.1 - 8.760 Fastest Lap of the Race
2nd Goose Gossett 55.9
3rd Dennis Hart 54.9
4th Bryan Dickerson 54.1
5th Rico Locati 53.6
6th Glenn Heath 51.5
7th Mitch Brooks 49.6
8th Victoria Saager 48.7
9th Jimmy Jones 46.2
10th Al Christensen 44.7
11th Cash Shepski 35.6
12th Dominic Locati 32.8

Over 50 Class Results:

1st Rico Locati 53.6 laps
2nd Goose Gossett 51.8 - Fastest Lap of the Race 9.551
3rd Al Christensen 50.3
4th Bill Bostic 46.6
5th Mitch Brooks 43.7
6th Bryan Dickerson 41.8
7th Dominic Locati 31.5

BRM Porshe 962 Results:

1st Rico Locati 58.0 -  8.415 fastest lap
2nd Bill Bostic 57.7 - 8.419
3rd Goose Gossett 56.2 - 8.661
4th Al Christensen 54.0 - 8.889
5th Mitch Brooks 49.5 - 9.461
6th Dominic Locati 46.8 - 9.047

This is very interesting stuff guys. I like hearing about the history of the Can Am. Guess some day I should read a book! Heaven forbid!

It looks like from what I've been reading you guys have come to a mutual agreement on two major things regarding the class. 1) There should be two divisions within the class for the older type cars and the newer cars. 2) Pretty much anything goes as to the car specifics. The only problem I see in using lap times as a break out, or to designate the two class divisions would be in the case of "sandbagging". Personally I don't think that would be a problem but who knows. However with that said, if there were enough dispariety between the legal motors for the class (i.e. 18k motors for the earlier cars -vs- say 25k motors for the later cars) the lap times issue would resolve itself, and probably be a moot point. The breakout lap time could be set at a point where a perfect lap would be needed for an early car to break out, and it would be a high enough lap time that it would be easily obtainable by the later cars. Another point in regards to using lap times as a measurement, with the new lap counter/timing system we are using we have median laps times for the entire race. That might be a useful tool should you guys decide to use lap times as some sort of gauge.

I agree the Vanquish cars should be inelligible. I'm good with the Carrera cars in the mix.

===========Bill

From Goose:

I have been doing some reading in my can/am book. 1966 was the first year for "can/am" and it appears 66 & 67 were mostly small block cars. In 67 the big blocks started to show up in more cars, chev & ford engines, some 351 ford upped to 377 were used. So it appears the 2c chap never really raced in can/am, just usrrc. Do we disallow the 2c, or do we include some of the 1964/54 usrrc cars to run with the small block can/am cars? (food for thought?). So i am beginning to wonder if we should run all cars together and have racers declare their car as a "small block" per motor spec or "big block" car per motor spec to determine lap times & lap quantities for each of the two classes. This would be like the way we run our f-1 races with different class cars. Would this be a simpler way to run this class and help Bill keep track of scoring two classes? Please feel free to correct me on the above can/am info above if i am in error. We should be able to create a list of which years & car type had which engines used for racers to determine class to race in(?). Getting kind of complicated, or is it just me!

Goose

From Goose:

I am thinking in terms of when the cars went from small block cars to the Big block cars in terms higher performance & handling. A small block car class would have a specific years of cars with a max motor spec, a big block class would have it's specific years of cars with a max motor spec. The times and laps would be separate from the two classes regardless of lap times and total laps run. Scoring would be for "each class only" and not in competition with each other. A racer could run just one class, or if allowed run both classes with different cars. That way we do not have to worry about break out times, and bumping people up in class if they do not want change classes.

I like the "break out" as a designation for classes. The older cars could have a minimum break out lap time for example of say 9.0 seconds, and anything faster could or would be the newer cars? That keeps it pretty simple and opens things up a lot! We could rub both divisions together with anyone running faster than the break out in the upper division?

==========Bill

I like the idea of limiting the class to two divisions, older cars and newer.  I'm not a big fan of allowing magnetic traction on either class, but I'll go with whatever you guys decide. I think the scratchbuilt could run against the RTR type cars. That seems to work well with the other classes we race. I'm leaving this class up to you guys for the most part. You guys will be the sponsors, just as the Trans Am class is Glenn's, the BRM class is Chris', and the F1 class is Monte's. I think this class might be a good replacement for our current GT class. It will be better structured than our current GT class.

==============Bill

From Greenman:

Keeping in mind how Can Am worked historically it was a sports racer out growth of the USSRC racing series. Early cars were tube-framed, which later gave way to monocoque racers. The rules were basically "no rules" whatever you could do to go faster was okay... later it was a bit more structured. This included cars with moving wings (chaparral) vacuum traction assist (chaparral again), moving bodies, multiple engines in short... whatever. What really killed the series was the money chase and timing. On one hand, Porsche just out spent everyone else and ran the little guys out of the series. Add to that, the early 70s oil shock and didn't help either. Ironically the last Can Am Championship was won by the UOP Shadow a titanium monocoque car driven by George Follmer.

Might I suggest two classes? Early cars with an under 20k motor, configuration gearing, etc open. For to reflect the tube frame cars. And a later car series with a 25k motor limit and one (gag) magnet? This would represent the later cars that showed the progress learning about aerodynamics really worked that took place over the years. Both series should allow alloy wheels and scratch building, thought I feel Slotit McLarens may dominate the late cars as the Slotit Chaparral may dominate the early cars. How do you guy feel about it?

Greg