The other thing which comes to mind is there are 1/32 versions of AWD rally cars which are only 2wd.  How do we want to classify these?  Run them in the 2wd class because they ARE 2wd, or make them run in the 4wd class because of the vehicle they model?

I ask this because I see Scalex makes a rather attractive looking Sport Quattro but I believe it's 2wd, which would be disappointing.  It'd be interesting to try to scratch build a 4wd chassis for it.

In addition, are we going to run tarmac spec cars or gravel?  There are obvious differences in setups which would greatly influence the performance potential.

kidvolt wrote:

I think that's fine but we need to have some sort of motor limit....

Agreed.  Got a recommendation?  18k/21k?  15k/21k?  15k/18k?

How fast do we want these to be?

I put an addendum on the rally class advocating for both classes- 2 and 4wd.  We can treat it like the Classics classes and run them together until we have enough to run them separately.

Thoughts?

Mitch58 wrote:

What about one of our closest classes LeMans?

There wasn't any talk of changing it.  I believe these discussions all came about due to desires to alter the classes.  There wasn't any talk about the Le Mans class.

CK

did you guys get this sorted?

wb0s wrote:

...I have one word document for each of the classes containing all the comments and suggestions for that particular class. If you'd like a copy of the info regarding any one of the classes (or all) let me know and I'll send it to you in an email.

Or post it on a shared drive and we can all see them.  I can set it up so only you can edit it or anyone else if desired.  That'd keep it all in one place.  Should be fairly easy.

docdoom wrote:

Sure wish more peeps would ring in on these here discussion we be having.

Ok then...  Without re-visiting everyone else's submissions for consideration, I have a few thoughts.

GT Class
My two cents: Leave it alone.  It's the simplest classes we have: two doors and a roof.  I love it.  It lets everyone run just about anything against anyone.  Yes, there will be entries which will fall into the "knife to a gunfight" category, but I see GT as the "group hug class" where everyone can run something and still fit in.  Yes it may take a bit of tuning and performance enhancement to actually win, but you can run anything you want (with a roof and doors).

So with that as the set up, where do we stick the Thunderslots and NSR's?  In my opinion, right here.

I understand that it will take a very seriously built entry to be able to best a T-slot but I am averse to regulating them out.  I would look forward to the challenge of building something to run competitively with them- I have a Slot.It 962 which currently runs comparably with them (you may have seen it- it's painted white with some red), so I know it can be done.  Will it take some effort?  Yes, but isn't that why we have a hobby?

I know NSR's have a reputation, but I don't think they're as quick or fast as the T-slots.  I think the T-slots are the target benchmark.


Trans Am Class
I am inclined to say leave this one alone too.  If someone is inclined to build a podded trans am car, it can run in the GT class.  I think the $35 car + BOSA tire recipe is a pretty good basis for the class.  I am pretty sure we currently can go to metal wheels and gears and remain legal for the class too, but I managed to get my entry moving satisfactorily with the stock running gear all around.

Can Am Class
I also like this as it is.  It will be interesting to see how the T-slots run with the Slot.It McLarens.  I may end up getting a spider T-70 in the end, but I am pretty happy with the Slot.It.  We'll see how it shakes out as more T-slots show up in the grid.

Classic Sports Car Class
For the record, I like this class as it is, but I also like Mitch's proposal about the reduced RPM motors as well.  I might suggest to spec a 14k motor with 7mm tires and non-podded chassis and the 18k motor with 8mm tires and podded chassis, mix and match any years up through 1969(?).  Run them separately if we have enough entries to do so.


F1 Class
Meh.  I run this class because I like hanging out with you guys.  Not a fan of the F1 slot car.  I stumbled onto a Scaley McLaren for $35 which runs reasonably well, but I doubt I will spring for a Policar to be competitive.  I think it's too complex/broad spectrum and if we want to get serious about it, we should pick an era and run them hard.  The disparity between the various eras makes it hard for me to take this class seriously.


The new proposals:

DTM
I like the idea.  I think you can count me in.  Just need to bring myself to purchase a Carrera product on purpose.


GT, revisited
In reference to Doc's comment about splitting the eras of GT, I might suggest a re-branding of the class.  What I am thinking is re-label it as a continuation of the Sports Car class, breaking it down by decade, starting with 1970 and working up from there (leaving the Classics I and II categories to cover all prior years of sports cars).  So a 70's sports car class would have 917's, 512's, 935's, 908/3's, 936's, T-70's, Matra's, Alfa T33, Gp 5 cars, etc...  The 80's sports car class would have all sorts of Gp C and GTP entries, Trans Am Mustangs, BMW M1's, 935's, Lancia Beta's, etc...  The theme would continue...

One change which I would include in the above suggestion is losing the roof requirement.  This would allow the Matra, the 936, the Audi R8, BMW LMR, plus others I don't know off the top of my head.  I think this would be a fun place to fit them in.

Other than that, run these sports car decade classes in the same spirit as the GT class- run what you brung but groups by genre.  Don't want to change the GT class?  Let's just add these on as their own stand alone categories.


BRM Trans Am
While we're talking about running new classes and such, rules for a BRM 1/24 Trans Am class will shortly be posted.  They will reflect our current box stock philosophy for the BRM products.  Get yourself a car and let's run them.


No doubt I will want to go back and edit a few of these ramblings, but I must hit "post" now and get on with things.  Look forward to discussing on Thurs!

Chris

kidvolt wrote:

Well...  I'm supposed to be a better driver than this but to be honest, I knocked Doc off in the first corner of both heats we ran together.  Sorry Doc.  Looks like some practice may be in order.


Huh???!??!?  Practice?  Uttered by Monte and for Monte?  What is the world coming to?


Wait, don't answer that.

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Check it out here Doc:

http://www.homeracingworld.us/viewforum.php?f=63

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Mitch58 wrote:

Sure, it took me two years to actually win a race in this class and you want to change it.

All kidding aside, a nicely tuned podded car with an 18K motor is an absolute pleasure to drive. Try Al's Vette or any of the division two sports cars. Smooth, balanced, and at 18K you feel you can really push it to the limit without flying out of the slot.

As for the H&R Hawk, after checking all of my motors with my tach I found all of the Hawk motors to all be between 17K & 18.5K. That's very consistent since my black stripe motors all ran between 16K & 21.5K with most if them around 19 & 20K. And at $7.99 you can't beat the price.

As for gearing I'd leave that open as well as the pod type, some folks like the way a sidewinder handles and some like driving an inline, some like the pull coming out of a corner that you get with a lower gear ratio, while others like making up time on the straight sections.

The whole point of tearing them apart is to make them feel right to each of us, otherwise if we build them all the same way, we may as well leave them box stock.



Not sure I can say anything other than, "I whole-heartedly agree".  This whole thing sounds like an excellent proposal to make more entertaining runners out of those which puzzle the Smooth one.  If we continue the nomenclature we used on the Classics class, let's just call them T/A Division II, or maybe T/A II for short?

I'd love to put together a T/A car with round, concentric wheels on a straight axle, running a Hawk motor in a Slot.It pod with quiet, smooth gears. 

Are we on at Al's this week?  I think I can make it!

Another solution would be to not apply so much power and just drive slowly.

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And then there were 4...  Official progress has been made on the Mk IV. In keeping with its title, it will have 4 wheels and "adequate" brakes. It will be more of a canyon carver than derby winner challenger, but it may go to the hill in August anyway.

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stumbley wrote:

...we were dealt with palliatively...

It appears I need to go look up a new word.  Way to get me out from under my rock Stan!

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A quick wrap up of the event is best summarized by the quote from some famous author, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."

I headed up to Tacoma on Thurs morning to go see what we had in store for us.  Jokingly during the week before, I had joked about getting there early and having plenty of time to screw things up.  This year, I vowed to do something different.  Make sure we have a decent and neutrally handling car, make sure it's reliable, make sure we're prepared in the pits, and drive to a target pace.  Mind you this has always been our objective in the past, but we generally fall behind for some reason and then try hard to make up the time.

This year was different.  Plainly, the car was fantastic with only minimal tweaks to it.  We were the last team to arrive (~11a on Thurs), so we didn't get to pick a car, we just got the last one in the box- a McLaren F1 GTR.  Powered by the normal black motor, it sported a completely new billet aluminum chassis capable of extremely precise adjustments.  It was fantastic!  It was quick on the straight, stable in the corners... it was imminently driveable.  With some basic set up adjustments, we started getting used to it and the track and just had fun.

None of us fared very well in the support races, which isn't surprising, but the new Trans Am cars were an absolute blast even on the rubber tires right out of the box.  I am very excited about these and hope you guys are willing to give these a go.  I think they'd be a blast to run on Odd Thurs, rotating with the Gp C class.

Moving on to the main event, we had assembled a team of 5: Monte, Stan, Tony, Ray, and me.  We were all hip to the team strategy for this year and all agreed that it was what we needed to do.  I drew up a running order which seemed to make sense and we got ready to rumble.

"It was the best of times...."

At precisely 14 minutes after 10AM, racing got underway.  We started in lane 8, and with only 7 other teams, we ran only on the 8 lane track, three rotations of 1 hour per lane.  To make things new and exciting, we were informed that we would be running the opposite direction from which they normally race it.  This was upsetting to not get any practice time running way, but I can honestly say that it is definitely a fun way to run that track.

For us, Ray was up first and put in a strong heat in the inside gutter lane- strong enough to put us in first place.  Yes, you read that correctly, FIRST PLACE.  Ray is good and maybe lane 8 was easy, so I didn't get too excited...  Tony was next and did a fairly good job in lane 6.  Stan put together a respectable heat in lane 4, followed by Monte on lane 2.  I was next, and after a few minutes of "learning" the track, I had an extremely fun time in lane 1 (yes, a gutter lane!). 

After all this time, I noticed we were still doing fairly well.  With the exception of the first 4-8 minutes of the heat to learn the lane in the new direction, we were staying in the slot and out of the pits.  Not everyone could say this, including the PSSRA team, who ended up in the pits for a braid swap 25 minutes into the FIRST HEAT!!  In turn, we were well set up, could service the car quickly when needed (didn't change the braid til heat 5), and were doing well with staying in the slot.

After the first full rotation (8 hours of racing, everyone had been through all the lanes), WE WERE IN SECOND!!!!


I offer as proof, a shot of the scoreboard during heat 7:
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"...it was the worst of times..."

The second trip through the 8 lanes would be in darkness for our simulated 24h cycle.  This was easy- all the teams would drive one rotation through all the lanes, in the dark.  For this, we were supplied a light kit (warned that there were no spares), and part of the rules was the car had to have a functional head and tail light for the entire stint in the dark.  We started heat 9 with our previous running order and Ray jumped back up in lane 8 to start the drive into the dark.

Shortly after the heat started, the EMSA team's entry ended up across our lane (stopped) with Ray not being able to stop for it and ramming it at a very high rate of speed.  Our headlights stopped working.  To the pits...

After an eternity of troubleshooting, swapping a circuit board, testing the LED's (and connectors), etc..., we couldn't figure out which component was bad.  With no spares, Alan eventually snipped the light kit out and soldered a battery into the circuit with the headlights so they were always on.  After THIRTY THREE MINUTES IN THE PIT ROOM, we were finally back out on the track, but you can probably figure out that we weren't in second place any more.  To say this was frustrating is a monumental understatement.

We still tried to make good laps but it was clear we weren't going to make much upward progress as we only had modest speed and were hoping to win through slow and steady, while there were others who were just simply going fast.  We couldn't make up the laps they were gaining by staying out of the pits and we dropped further down the board.

In the early hours of daylight on Sunday morning, we also started to have some power delivery issues, where we were very sporty down the straight but couldn't do a thing to get through a corner and just got walked around by everyone.  For this we spent a bit of time in the the pits as well, still with no remedy.

All in all, it was still a fun time.  I learned more about setting the car up, and as a team, I personally feel we executed flawlessly to plan.  Until we lost literally hundreds of laps in the pits and our plan was no longer applicable.  Tony and Ray were excellent to have on board, and despite arguing amongst ourselves for who was the worst driver, we all did well enough to turn in respectable results.

So, if we had scored it on the first 8.25 heats, we would have done exceptionally well.  Unfortunately, there were still 15.75 heats remaining, and we had to run them all.  In the end, we returned to our roots, wanting to finish high enough to be not last.  Conveniently, that's where we ended up- NOT LAST, but in 7th of 8 teams entered.

It would have been nice to have a few more people up there- even if it was just for the 24h.  Please think about making a weekend of it for next year.  It's a great way to spend some time racing some really good slot cars.

Chris

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Perhaps we shall, but this thread is about a 12h Scaleauto race back in the spring.  I'll find the one about the BRM race and post something on it.

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Revo's are 1/32 and the 24 is a 1/24 event, so I doubt it.

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stumbley wrote:

Chris, when are you planning on showing up? And will you have the same "lodgings" as previous years? If so, may I continue my guest status?

Stan

Lodging will be a little different. We downsized to a van so it might be a little cozier than you're up for.

I plan on heading up on Thurs AM. Gives me all sorts of time to make our car slower!

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Fear not Monte, the prototype versions can play with the new ones. If there is any perceived advantage, that's a bridge we can jump off of later.

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8 to choose from- 4 Chevys, 4 Fords:

http://www.132slotcar.us/store/index.php?cPath=355_874

$140

The prototypes were excellent at the 24h last year.  I expect the same of the production versions.

If the interest is there, I will craft a set of rules in the same spirit of the other classes (box stock) and we will get these cars into the rotation.

Chris

http://www.132slotcar.us/store/images/BRM%20ScaleRacing069%202.jpg 
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Bringing this back to the top...

2 weekends out is the Tacoma 24.  I am expecting all those who Monte implicates above to be attending.  Anyone else want to join in?

Come for all or part...

Chris

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reek455 wrote:

...maybe just Sat/Sun.

Conveniently, that's exactly when the 24h is!  All the other stuff is support races and such.  Come on up and pull the trigger as life allows.

It's usually a 10A start.

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I certainly wouldn't mind breaking them out into their own class.  I have fun cars for both categories.  Does this warrant a vote or something at the next Odd Thurs?

I would happily "borrow" that 250GTO to take a shot at making a GT runner out of it for you.

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A maybe from Monte and crickets from everyone else???

Testing....  Is this thing on???

Where is Stan?  Bill?  Fisher?  It's about time Mitch makes it to part of it...  Come on guys.  Al?  Gregg?

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Mitch, are you saying the podded cars aren't getting their fair shake?  Div II is the bigger tire 18k class (although I think they're both 18k).  I think I ran mine last time and had some competition from Al?  Are you busting out the Jag or are you saying we need to go back to old school and run the flat chassis (Div I) cars?

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wb0s wrote:

What did you guys decide about restructuring this class? At a minimum it might be time to make the Division I and Division II their own class and rotate them accordingly?

Uh, hey tough guy- you're the class sponsor.  What did YOU decide?