NASTE 2019 Point Series Championship - Results & Standings (Page 1 of 3)

NASTE 2019 Point Series Championship Race No.2 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway November 1, 2018

Race Results - Le Mans Class:

1 Al 70.8 Laps - 9 points
2 Monte   70.0 - 8 pts.
3 Daniel   69.7 - 7 pts.
4 Jeff   69.3 - 6 pts.
5 Gary  67.8 - 5 pts.
6 Rico  67.1 - 4 pts.
7 Bill  66.8 - 3 pts.
8 Mitch   64.0 - 2 pts.
9 Stan  60.1 - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2019 NASTE Point Series Championship After 2 Races:

1st Al - 19 points
2nd Daniel  - 16 pts.
3rd Monte  - 15 pts.
4th Rico  - 12 pts.
5th - tie Bill  - 9 pts.
5th - tie Gary  - 9 pts.
7th Mitch  - 7 pts.
8th  Jeff - 6 pts.
9th - tie Greg   - 3 pts.
9th - tie Stan  - 3 pts.
11th Terry Redeau  - 1pt.

NASTE 2019 Point Series Championship Race No.4 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway November 29, 2018

Race Results - Le Mans Class:

1 Monte 69.4 Laps - 8 points
2 Al   69.3 - 7 pts.
3 Rico   68.8 - 6 pts.
4 Daniel  68.7 - 5 pts.
5 Fernando  66.2 - 4 pts.
6 Greg  63.9 - 3 pts.
7 Stan  58.7 - 2 pts.
8 Jeff   47.3 - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2019 NASTE Point Series Championship After 4 Races:

1st Al - 32 points
2nd Monte  - 31 pts.
3rd Rico  - 25 pts.
4th Daniel  - 22 pts.
5th - tie Mitch  - 10 pts.
5th - tie Greg   - 10 pts.
7th - tie Bill  - 9 pts.
7th - tie Gary  - 9 pts.
7th - tie Fernando  - 9 pts.
10th - tie Jeff - 7 pts.
10th - tie Stan  - 7 pts.
12th Terry Redeau  - 1pt.

I got the yellow paint ordered for my track !!

NASTE 2019 Point Series Championship Race No.5 @ Rippin' Ridin' Raceway December 13, 2018

Race Results - Can Am Class:
1 Chris 78.9 Laps - 10 points
2 Monte   77.0 - 9 pts.
3 Al   72.7 - Fastest lap to break tie - 8 pts.
4 Mitch  72.7 - 7 pts.
5 Rico  70.1 - 6 pts.
6 Bill  68.6 - 5 pts.
7 Stan  65.3 - 4 pts.
8 Jeff   61.3 - 3 pts.
9 Zack  59.7 - 2 pts.
10 Jake  58.8 - 1 pt.

Current Standings for the 2019 NASTE Point Series Championship After 5 Races:

1st - tie Al - 40 points
1st - tie Monte  - 40 pts.
3rd Rico  - 31 pts.
4th Daniel  - 22 pts.
5th Mitch  - 17 pts.
6th Bill  - 14 pts.
7th Stan  - 11 pts.
8th - tie Greg   - 10 pts.
8th - tie Jeff - 10 pts.
8th - tie Chris - 10 pts.
11th - tie Gary  - 9 pts.
11th - tie Fernando  - 9 pts.
13th Zack - 2 pts.
14th - tie Terry Redeau  - 1pt.
14th - tie Jake - 1 pt.

Through the years of NASTE, and with the HO club I was involved with in the 80's,  I've experimented with various scoring systems for point series racing. My first question is; what would be the reason to change to a different point system?

I finally settled on, and stayed with the current system for a few reasons. 1. It is one of the easiest systems to use for scoring. 2. It is one of the fairest systems of scoring. A racer gets 1 point for every other racer he beats in a race. At the end of the season a racer's score tells the whole story. Their total is exactly how many other racers they beat in races to win the championship. 3. A racer gets more points for wins where the race had more competitors he had to beat. 4. In a race where the top finishers are basically the only racers to score points, a racer can achieve the exact same number of points for a win where they only have to beat say 6 other racers, as a racer who has to beat 20 other racers. The points have no equality in relation to the number of competitors in any given race. 5. If a competitor has a bad race and falls below the point cut off of the top finishers, he loses more points to the leader. I.e. let's say the points leader finishes 9th in a field of 12, he only gets 1 point, same as 10th through 12th, but he still beat three other racers. 6. And lastly, I have NEVER seen where scoring differently for a point series has ever made a difference in the outcome! I have had racers question the scoring systems I have used in the past. At the end of the season I have re-scored the entire championship, ALL the races, and re-totalled the finish. It has NEVER made a difference in the final outcome. The point totals may come out different, but the racer that won still always won. The biggest difference was in how close the point totals were. Some may question that, but I challenge anyone to go back through a season, re-assign the points using other values, and re-tabulate the finish scores. No matter how you count it the winners still win regardless of the total numbers.

To me what makes a little more sense is to allow racers to throw out one or two races each season. This brings the point totals in closer and gives racers a chance to recover if they have a really bad race, or just plain miss a race.

With all that said, I am not opposed to using a different numbering system. Just tell me what you guys want and I'll be happy with it.

The only thing I'd question is Bill's math skills, but we can have Caitlin check the numbers.

But seriously, I am good with how we currently score the championship as well.  My opinion is that it's not broke.  At one point I was also in favor of also throwing out a bad night or two per season, but it was more a selfish thing as I knew there were few nights I wouldn't make it and didn't want to lose ground on those nights. 

I can see that changing it to the top 8 might prevent someone from falling too far behind if they miss a night where 18 people show up, but the members who put together the effort to show up consistently should also be rewarded for it. 

CK

As an example of the above, I think it was two years ago I finished first in the classic sports car class without winning a single race, just by finishing fairly well through out the season.

I agree with Goose , It ain't broke !

I say the reward should go to the people who show up.  Odds are that dropping x round(s) from the tabulations won't make things all that much different. 

On the flip side, I can honestly say that if it meant someone who showed up and raced every time got beaten by someone who didn't based on the drop(s), I'd be disappointed.

Personally Doc, I just don't see this as an equitable system for our slot racing. If I am really putting forth the effort to be competitive in the point series, and I show up at a race with say 15 participants, and I'm having a difficult night and after my first heat it is obvious to me I will not be in the top eight, what's my incentive to stick around? I'm done, I might as well pack it up, I don't even have a chance of salvaging a couple of points. I will be scored the same as last place. Or let's say I show up at a race and there are only 6 racers. Let's say half of them are new guys. All I have to do is beat two skilled racers and three newby's to get a full 10 points, versus a race with 15 participants where I might have to beat a dozen veteran racers. With this system I see where it is just as possible to get further behind and possibly even harder to try and catch up. These types of issues led me to the scoring system we currently use. Bottom line is; if you're really good you might be able to recover missing one race. But most likely, if you miss one or two races and your competition does not, you will never catch up. You just can't make up what you never got. No matter how you try to manipulate the point assessments it won't pencil out. A system of scoring a percentage of the total races towards the championship, is the only reasonable way to allow for racer's absences from a race or races. In an effort to lessen the point penalty for racers that don't show up to a race, you are creating a point penalty for a percentage of the racers that do show up.

This obviously needs more discussion and maybe a vote? Next race at Al's on the 27th?

Thanks Doc, we've had many conversations about making various changes through the years. Usually the outcome results in improvements to our racing. Personally I've had more ideas shit canned than implemented!

Merry Christmas!

Think you have the results wrong for last nights race.going to have re write your home page race report.I'm sure Al would of been happy with a 2nd in the points race